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OK. I only got round to watching this tonight, so given all the comments on here I thought I would try, whilst watching, to imagine that I was a civvy and know nothing about the RAF and the fact that the vast majority of guys and girls are slogging their guts out, giving their pound of flesh for the duration of their tour.
And the upshot of this was that personally, if I was a 17/18 year old, having just left school with zero qualifications and not many prospects other than a job in Primark, I reckon that having seen this programme, the RAF looks like a pretty tasty option.
However I am not civvy so I can see where many of the negative comments on this thread are coming from but jeez the programme was not about the more serious side of our role when out of area. They have purposefully sexed it up to appeal to Joe Public with no links to the forces and no clue about what really goes on to keep the jets in the air and the airfield safe.
I have sat and thought about haw Kate came across in the programme and granted she appears to be a typical dizzy bint. But she is a young girl who just seems quite naive and was only doing what most young girls her age do when they finish work. Going out and letting her hair down a bit (and unfortunately, putting her gob in gear before engaging the brain).
What she was filmed doing/not doing, with regards to toddling to showers in just a towel, not wearing body armour, going to the "disco" etc is what goes on when OOA. Granted not all of us have the luxury of enough downtime to get any socialising and sunbathing in, as well as get a good nights kip, but for those 9 to 5'ers, why not?
If the one result from this programme is a tightening up and enforcing the IDF immediate action drills then to me that is a result. I was out in Basrah during a particularly "active" time and people just couldnt be arsed and just went through the motions, which would grip my $hit no end!
At the end of the day, the programme has achieved its aim. To be an hour long recruitment advert for the trades of Regt and HR.
Was it honest? Yes I think so.
Did it show the RAF as a professional military outfit? Probably not, because it has concentrated on a dizzy admin bint and a wet behind the ears rock and not the guys and girls doing 12+ hour days keeping jets in the air or providing medical care or taking part in convoys to get kit from A to B (because that wouldn't make interesting viewing to anyone not in the Forces).
Do I give two hoots what our Army cousins are saying about it over on ARRSE? Nope. Especially after seeing the behavior of some of their young female soldiers in Basrah!
OK thats my twopence worth anyway.
And the upshot of this was that personally, if I was a 17/18 year old, having just left school with zero qualifications and not many prospects other than a job in Primark, I reckon that having seen this programme, the RAF looks like a pretty tasty option.
However I am not civvy so I can see where many of the negative comments on this thread are coming from but jeez the programme was not about the more serious side of our role when out of area. They have purposefully sexed it up to appeal to Joe Public with no links to the forces and no clue about what really goes on to keep the jets in the air and the airfield safe.
I have sat and thought about haw Kate came across in the programme and granted she appears to be a typical dizzy bint. But she is a young girl who just seems quite naive and was only doing what most young girls her age do when they finish work. Going out and letting her hair down a bit (and unfortunately, putting her gob in gear before engaging the brain).
What she was filmed doing/not doing, with regards to toddling to showers in just a towel, not wearing body armour, going to the "disco" etc is what goes on when OOA. Granted not all of us have the luxury of enough downtime to get any socialising and sunbathing in, as well as get a good nights kip, but for those 9 to 5'ers, why not?
If the one result from this programme is a tightening up and enforcing the IDF immediate action drills then to me that is a result. I was out in Basrah during a particularly "active" time and people just couldnt be arsed and just went through the motions, which would grip my $hit no end!
At the end of the day, the programme has achieved its aim. To be an hour long recruitment advert for the trades of Regt and HR.
Was it honest? Yes I think so.
Did it show the RAF as a professional military outfit? Probably not, because it has concentrated on a dizzy admin bint and a wet behind the ears rock and not the guys and girls doing 12+ hour days keeping jets in the air or providing medical care or taking part in convoys to get kit from A to B (because that wouldn't make interesting viewing to anyone not in the Forces).
Do I give two hoots what our Army cousins are saying about it over on ARRSE? Nope. Especially after seeing the behavior of some of their young female soldiers in Basrah!
OK thats my twopence worth anyway.
he_who_dares_rodney
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According to Kate's facebook you lot are military geeks
Perhaps the RAF PR Machine should swing into overdrive and issue the "Kate Aziz Cukoo Clock" which shouts fresh meat at the bop every hour on the hour
Who did this?
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=ea3263de785d519afd243aa0ed62393f
Perhaps the RAF PR Machine should swing into overdrive and issue the "Kate Aziz Cukoo Clock" which shouts fresh meat at the bop every hour on the hour
Who did this?
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=ea3263de785d519afd243aa0ed62393f
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Wing boy
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Bugger, I'm at work at the mo and just popped on to check my PM's. What does it say or what is it on that link?
Kates a good lass but the program didn't do her any justice at all. However, I was told by one of the other lads that was out with me in Kandahar when the program was being made that he saw them telling Kate what to say etc, basically couching her to get what they wanted.
Looks a bit set up like someone said earlier.
If the link is about Kate then I would seriously look at what you have done and the lagalities of what you say or do as you will be liable in court if she finds out and doesn't like it.
Just a warning like fellas
DT_Xtremez_35:
Kates a good lass but the program didn't do her any justice at all. However, I was told by one of the other lads that was out with me in Kandahar when the program was being made that he saw them telling Kate what to say etc, basically couching her to get what they wanted.
Looks a bit set up like someone said earlier.
If the link is about Kate then I would seriously look at what you have done and the lagalities of what you say or do as you will be liable in court if she finds out and doesn't like it.
Just a warning like fellas
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Dink
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I have just PM'd Wobbly as he cant see the vid in question.
It was made by me and a mate after a few beers. It is meant in a sense of fun and should be taken that way. If however it has offended anyone then like I said in the PM to be Wobbly I think the the thread (and any posts containing the link) should be deleted.
If that happens I will quite happily post an apology for my actions but there has been a fair bit of negative reaction to the Warzone programme on here and other sites and it was just a bit of fun. Not intended in any way as a personal attack, I just have a warped sense of humour.
Lat thing I want is to drop the site in the brown sticky stuff.
It was made by me and a mate after a few beers. It is meant in a sense of fun and should be taken that way. If however it has offended anyone then like I said in the PM to be Wobbly I think the the thread (and any posts containing the link) should be deleted.
If that happens I will quite happily post an apology for my actions but there has been a fair bit of negative reaction to the Warzone programme on here and other sites and it was just a bit of fun. Not intended in any way as a personal attack, I just have a warped sense of humour.
Lat thing I want is to drop the site in the brown sticky stuff.
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I don't really care if she's a good lass or not...You know there is a camera pointing at you...Be mindful of what you say....If the 'telly people' tell you to ham it up for the camera tell them to poke off and find someone else to nationally humiliate then go find the RAF PR people that must have been in tow and tell them that the telly people told you to ham it up and you weren't comfortable with it...
RAF PR people...A number of people on here have said that this young lady is, in their personal opinion, a bit niave...And you lot, specialists in this field, failed to notice this, failed to vet the contents or if you did you are so out of touch with reality that you should consider a career change...You allowed this program to air and just look at the reaction...Well done you...
RAF PR people...A number of people on here have said that this young lady is, in their personal opinion, a bit niave...And you lot, specialists in this field, failed to notice this, failed to vet the contents or if you did you are so out of touch with reality that you should consider a career change...You allowed this program to air and just look at the reaction...Well done you...
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I do hope Kates' chain of command are looking after her interests.
Can we give our collegue support please.
Can we give our collegue support please.
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I'm going to turn this upside down. Missed the initial showing on C5 and just watched it on Fiver. All I saw was human nature added to the fact that they all (outwith the wire breachers) only had to deal with the IDF threat. Granted, a blase attitude and a lot of naivity was portrayed but one that is no different to other places I've been with different nationals. Wrong? yes, but complacency will always rise to the surface and the ideal that 'it'll never happen to me'.
Some people do work a damn sight harder than others in zones like these, but if you can live the easy life, why not? You will not get any more kudos for living in a foxhole if you can sleep under a duvet. Think some folks are a little sanctimonious here and whereas it has probably projected us in a less than favourable light, it is how people make the best of 4/6 etc months away.
Some people do work a damn sight harder than others in zones like these, but if you can live the easy life, why not? You will not get any more kudos for living in a foxhole if you can sleep under a duvet. Think some folks are a little sanctimonious here and whereas it has probably projected us in a less than favourable light, it is how people make the best of 4/6 etc months away.
Personally, I look forward to seeing some of the Lineys and A/C maintenance folk, and I sincerely hope we get to see more of what's going on out there. I learned a few things from tonight's episode, apart from the fact that our little Welfare (HR) clerk is trying to do the job. Those Firemen at CB deserve wide praise, for example.
Quite how much of it is the whole truth I leave for others to tell. But I'm left with a sense of admiration. . . . . .
Quite how much of it is the whole truth I leave for others to tell. But I'm left with a sense of admiration. . . . . .
I have to say that tonights episode was considerably better and more informative than last weeks.
When they mentioned the admin bird going out to see the firemen, I was immedietly thinking of "Yeah yeah, its just a jolly out with the bird to see the firemen play volley ball" but I was glad to see that the firemen actually have more of a job out there than fighting fires, and that the admin bird wasnt just out on a jolly.
For us in the job, I think that the first episode was a bad one, as it did paint Kandahar in a holiday camp fasion, but I'm hoping all the future episodes will be as informative as this one.
(Bearing in mind, I am only comparing them against the poor effort of the first episode!)
When they mentioned the admin bird going out to see the firemen, I was immedietly thinking of "Yeah yeah, its just a jolly out with the bird to see the firemen play volley ball" but I was glad to see that the firemen actually have more of a job out there than fighting fires, and that the admin bird wasnt just out on a jolly.
For us in the job, I think that the first episode was a bad one, as it did paint Kandahar in a holiday camp fasion, but I'm hoping all the future episodes will be as informative as this one.
(Bearing in mind, I am only comparing them against the poor effort of the first episode!)
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I haven't seen the first episode, taped it, but not watched it yet. I saw tonights episode, how embarrassing, that welfare clerk doesn't know what firemen do, I mean come on, the clue is in the name!
Mind you, the rest of the programme was good.
Looking forward to seeing the sharp end portrayed well though!!!
Mind you, the rest of the programme was good.
Looking forward to seeing the sharp end portrayed well though!!!
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billy bollox
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Again, good episode, but whilst the lass was just doing her job, the prog made her look out of water!!
She was concerned about 24 hr ops and R+R at the same time 1 Sqn Rocks were out on several days patrol...not to mention the Army boys who are out day on end...R+R...bollox the fire lads do a great job with recovery etc but this H+R was a bit OTT. What about the Chinook lads or Herc crews or Rocks???
We all go out and expect to work whatever hours we have to..END OF...not trying to sort out better R+R for lads on Front line jobs. She' was doing her job and she did good. The problem was she was told to do stuff by idiots. Good programme and hats off to all on it, respect, BUT, people making daft decisions...get a life and realise, this is life and we (collective) will just get on with it!! After all, 4 months ain't that long in Kand..
She was concerned about 24 hr ops and R+R at the same time 1 Sqn Rocks were out on several days patrol...not to mention the Army boys who are out day on end...R+R...bollox the fire lads do a great job with recovery etc but this H+R was a bit OTT. What about the Chinook lads or Herc crews or Rocks???
We all go out and expect to work whatever hours we have to..END OF...not trying to sort out better R+R for lads on Front line jobs. She' was doing her job and she did good. The problem was she was told to do stuff by idiots. Good programme and hats off to all on it, respect, BUT, people making daft decisions...get a life and realise, this is life and we (collective) will just get on with it!! After all, 4 months ain't that long in Kand..
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I’ll bite the bullet and say that my opinion of Kate has certainly changed. She is a young girl, on Ops, doing what she has to do. Her only crime, naive! Perhaps a bit more supervision is required. Apart from that, is she doing anything different than we have all done? Remember, we may not have had camera’s filming us, just imagine what they could have captured 20 years ago!
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I didn't see the first one, but personally I thought that episode showed the guys and girls in a better light, particularly the Rocks, except maybe the poor sod who had his kit pulled apart before going out...... 4 minging flannels DT_Xtremez_17:
Like the discipline though, ID card ? No ? Well drop and give me 20.DT_Xtremez_27:
than .DT_Xtremez_14:
DT_Xtremez_17:Like the discipline though, ID card ? No ? Well drop and give me 20.
DT_Xtremez_27:than .
DT_Xtremez_14: