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James247 said:
Off topic slightly but I'm in the army's OTC (looking at the RAF Reg after uni) and we have also been taught that it is the 'blood channel' to reduce suction when removing the blade, so I think it must be on the syllabus now. Personally i thought it was bollox also because the chavs don't seem to have any problems removing their blades whilst 'out shanking'...
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It was a good few years ago that a Rock from the RAF Reg presentation team showed me a bayonet and he too said they were blood channels.

As for everything else, definitely better than last weeks, but still pretty cringe-worthy at times. Nice contrast the way the Regiment guys were having their kit checked over and one got a bollocking for having a big sleeping bag, meanwhile our Welsh friend was taking a big feck off sack of toiletries away with her to Bastion! .. Along with her scary rifle. Hmm...
 
Ex-Bay said:
Incidentally which twerp told that young Gunner that the 'slot' in the bayonet was a Blood Channel ? It ain't. It's a device for saving weight and getting the 'balance' right.
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Off TopicThat's the funniest, most ill informed comment I've read for a long time..:PDT_Xtremez_31:
 
There is a channel on the bayonet and the hole which is to help turn it into a cutting device.
So nowt to do with the weight and balance since your sticking something that weighs around 7-10 kgs at the other end.
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I was taught it was a blood channel however the fon of all knowledge Wikki states your both correct
I assume blood channel sounds more warry than weight saving groove
The scabbard for the baynet differs from the all arms version to the infantry version which has the wire cutters and bottle opener


Most modern bayonets have a fuller (visible on the top half of the blade shown below), which is a concave depression in the blade designed to reduce the weight while keeping the blade's stiffness.
Some speculate that this design feature makes a bayonet easier to withdraw after a stabbing attack by allowing air into the wound it produces, or to allow blood to drain from it, but in fact fullers have not been experimentally shown to have such an effect.
Rather, the fuller increases the bending strength of the blade in the same way the "I" cross-section of an I-Beam is more efficient in resisting bending than an equivant rectangular cross-section

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Ex-Bay said:
Care to elucidate please?
May I also draw you attention to:-

http://bshistorian.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/the-blood-groove/

as wellas the pattern for the standard KaBar military/hunting knife, which does not feature a fuller.

Ill-informed? I don't think so . . . . . (unless the sources are lying. .)
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2 x worth of 5.56mm rounds worth of weight saved when carrying 50 kg etc aint goint to make **** all difference and, when fixed, you only want to keep your balance when directing it where required..
 
Cooheed said:
2 x worth of 5.56mm rounds worth of weight saved when carrying 50 kg etc aint goint to make **** all difference and, when fixed, you only want to keep your balance when directing it where required..
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Oh do please try & keep up, there's a good chap.
It has nothing to do with weight (in terms are currently needed), and everything to do with whether the Fuller is there as a "Blood Groove"
 
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Ex-Bay said:
Oh do please try & keep up.
It has nothing to do with weight (in terms are currently needed), and everything to do with whether the Fuller is there as a "Blood Groove"
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To be fair XB, Cooheed is a serving Rockape, and it was you yourself that said the hole was there to save weight and improve balance.
 
Anyway, back on topic, I don't think this series will ever portray our lot as Stormtroopers with Darth Vader in command. But it's probably a little too 'grass roots' for television after watching the second one.

Off TopicXB, Exclusive: 'WW2 Bomber found on the Moon'. Quick, check it out. It's on T'internet so it must be true...:PDT_Xtremez_15:
 
Don't mean to be picky or anything but it says it's a blood groove in the Pam and that's why said 'twerp' repeated said comment. It doesn't really matter what it says on t'internet, that's what it says in the Pam so it's gen. End of.:PDT_Xtremez_06::PDT_Xtremez_28:
 
Cooheed said:
Anyway, back on topic, I don't think this series will ever portray our lot as Stormtroopers with Darth Vader in command. But it's probably a little too 'grass roots' for television after watching the second one.

Off TopicXB, Exclusive: 'WW2 Bomber found on the Moon'. Quick, check it out. It's on T'internet so it must be true...:PDT_Xtremez_15:
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I'll wait to see the evidence (un-retouched picture from Hubble?).
I stand corrected about weight & balance, but too many sources say the fuller is not a blood grove.
I'm looking forward to see our brave lads as they go about their tasks, but more about the guys fixing the planes. . . .

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A couple of questions

If Kate has 2 live magazines shouldn't she be wearing webbing or at least a belt with ammo pouches on for the magazines?

Iron sights? I thought SOP's in operational theatres was susat I was in Iraq and the clerks usd to have susats as they could get pinged for top cover,stag etc

Where was Kates rifle lying whilst she wandered about the pan looking for the table?

Should the padre maybe have wandered more than a couple of offices down to givbe the care packages to someone more deserving?
I'm certain there would be nothing in them that they couldn't get at KAF
 
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Ex-Bay said:
Incidentally which twerp told that young Gunner that the 'slot' in the bayonet was a Blood Channel ? It ain't. It's a device for saving weight and getting the 'balance' right.
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That Twerp is the IW Pam. And, sorry, you are wrong.

I'll send the reference later. One of my lads is off to get the Pam out of our Range box
 
I like a good swerve of topic!!

Re the bayonet. Sorry if I bore you but Im a bit of a collector of knives ect.

But technically both theories are incorrect. Firstly the fuller is only called a fuller if made by the tool called a fuller (which the SA80 bayonet isnt) The idea that it is to lighten and strengthen the blade is correct if related to swords, but on short blades makes no difference
The 'blood channel' name was just that really, a name, it sounds good but again in theory the pressures on a blade caused by suction are minimal to say the least. (By the way my WW2 Ka Bar does have blood channels!!)

The instruction was correct though. It has been described as a blood channel in pams for many years now.

One thing I can say is that the SA80 bayonet is probably the worst bladed weapon ever made.

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Don't know about you, but I thought tonight's episode quite interesting. And just when things are getting good, when's the next one ? (Has someone decided to edit a bit more out of it ?

Off Topic Re: the Fuller. I got this from the makers of the KaBar:-

“Blood Grooves” are really fullers – when blades were forged, it was a way to reduce weight while still keeping a strong blade.
 The term “blood grooves” came into use in the military. It was thought that if a blade was stuck into a body, the fuller would allow blood to flow into the depression and would lubricate the blade for ease of removal from the body. This has been proved to be not true but the name stuck.

 Linda – Customer Service


Off Topic Seems reasonable. The Pamphlet's wrong!
 
Is it me or has maybe a bit of emergency editing happened, as one of its mega stars has 'mysteriously disapeared'.............. :PDT_Xtremez_42:
 
Well due to me shifts, tonight was the first chance I've had to watch it......don't give a toss what anyone else says...I enjoyed it...
 
FOMz said:
Is it me or has maybe a bit of emergency editing happened, as one of its mega stars has 'mysteriously disapeared'.............. :PDT_Xtremez_42:
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Strangely enough, if you think back to the end of the first episode.

Next week on Warzone...

Kate meets up with the firefighters
"It's not like Londons Burning is it?"
(Que her being thrown in the pool)

None of which was shown, so they did some back then also!

 
Are you suggesting that he RAF has ordered a re-edit of the programme to stop it being made into an even bigger laughing stock?
 
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