Corona virus

Ok chaps. Should we scared of a virus named after a crap 1970’s fizzy drink? I’ve seen some interesting videos on YouTube. Looks like the Chinese are taking things a little more seriously!

Anyone have a secondhand hazmat suit for sale?

 

[Kryten]

So you're obviously implying that there's millions in this country without common sense. Are you working. There's loads who need the money, and if their bosses say get to work then they are. So look at the bigger picture.

If bosses force people to work and they haven't put in place adequate social distancing and safe working measures, they will most likely end up on the wrong side of the law.


BBC News - Coronavirus: Do I have to go back to work after lockdown?

Should I be working from home now?

Scotland and England have lifted their working from home guidance.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[justintime129]

If bosses force people to work and they haven't put in place adequate social distancing and safe working measures, they will most likely end up on the wrong side of the law.


BBC News - Coronavirus: Do I have to go back to work after lockdown?

Should I be working from home now?

Scotland and England have lifted their working from home guidance.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ive Looked at H&S at work and yes it backs the worker but how many people are prepared to stand up to their bosses. If you've got no union then you're screwed. Let's be pragmatic here.

 

[Barch]

So you're obviously implying that there's millions in this country without common sense. Are you working. There's loads who need the money, and if their bosses say get to work then they are. So look at the bigger picture.

I didn't say they haven't got common sense, did I ?

No, I'm not working, I put effort into my second career, I semi retired at 55 and retired at 60.

Bosses can say what they want but if the working environment isn't safe the workforce has every right to withdraw their labour.

 

[justintime129]

I didn't say they haven't got common sense, did I ?

No, I'm not working, I put effort into my second career, I semi retired at 55 and retired at 60.

Bosses can say what they want but if the working environment isn't safe the workforce has every right to withdraw their labour.

Have you ever withdrawn your labour, not so easy if you have a family to look after.

 

[Barch]

Ive Looked at H&S at work and yes it backs the worker but how many people are prepared to stand up to their bosses. If you've got no union then you're screwed. Let's be pragmatic here.

You can always grow a pair or get walked over, your life, your choices. Use them wisely.

 

[Barch]

Have you ever withdrawn your labour, not so easy if you have a family to look after.

Yes, twice.

 

[Kryten]

Ive Looked at H&S at work and yes it backs the worker but how many people are prepared to stand up to their bosses. If you've got no union then you're screwed. Let's be pragmatic here.

They don't have to - the Government will be doing spot checks so no employer worth their salt is going to run the risk of getting caught making people work in an unsafe environment.

 

[Tin basher]

Latest thing to wind me up the endless wittering on about TFL and the tube. A quick google tells me that roughly 9 million people live in London and, from a British population of about 66 million, it follows that about 57 million of us folk don't frecking live there. So why do we keep getting bombarded with cr@p about the buses and tube trains provided for a small minority of the citizens. How's the bus service doing in Brighton or Blackburn, what about the Wolverhampton to Birmingham tram service etc etc . So you lot at the BBC and other media outlets just stop being so bl00dy London centric, there's a big country out there who really doesn't give a flying toenail about the man on the Clapham omnibus or the Bakerloo line.

And Breathe

 

[justintime129]

Yes, twice.

With the backing of a union

 

[justintime129]

They don't have to - the Government will be doing spot checks so no employer worth their salt is going to run the risk of getting caught making people work in an unsafe environment.

There'll be some unscrupulous employers who will take that risk. Who will police these checks.

 

[busby1971]

There'll be some unscrupulous employers who will take that risk. Who will police these checks.

There’s unscrupulous employers who take risks with people safety all the time, that’s why we have laws and enforcement agencies, 99.9% of employers will abide as best they can as they always try to do.

Are you’re saying that 99.9% of organisations should not return to work, because of the risk that 0.1% of employers are going to risk their employees health and safety then?

 

[ninjarabbi]

A large amount of people being interviewed on radio this morning stating that we should stay in ‘lockdown’ until a vaccine is ready. I have to agree with the statement on page 10 of the government’s Covid plan. The longer we keep this up the worse it will be further down the line.

 

[Barch]

I agree in principle but what will the country be like if we have a second or even third uncontrolled breakout and those people that are essential for the economic recovery are those that are affected.

We can't recover if we don't have the people to drive the recovery.

 

[vim_fuego]

I agree in principle but what will the country be like if we have a second or even third uncontrolled breakout and those people that are essential for the economic recovery are those that are affected.

We can't recover if we don't have the people to drive the recovery.

The vast majority will breeze through it including some that have already had it or will get it and not realise. My wife had a proper belt of it which laid her out for 10 days. Throughout that period I nursed her and was in 100% contact with her everyday and got nothing. I was ill back in January with a high temp then a really persistent cough (only shook it in Early March) so I have already had it and what we are in right now could possibly be wave 2 already or I was asymptomatic. Ask around and you find plenty of people who were ill at the same time with the same symptoms. Either way for the vast majority its at worst a fecking horrible flu-like experience and for many a breeze. I'm not trying to sound flippant here...its just the way it is.

I have believed since the talk of vaccines sprung up in terms of 'end of the year' or '18 months' that they were more giving us something to hope for whilst we swallowed and got used to the bitter pill of lockdown lite (it could have been so much more draconian). Whilst a lab might have got lucky (or been brilliant) on the first go and got something that indicates its worthy of pumping it into some humans (which has already happened at Cambridge Uni) its the testing that is going to take perhaps years...It has to...otherwise we potentially end up with another thalidomide type scandal a few years down the line because we rushed something sourced from chimpanzee genes into mass production because we needed to restart the economy.

Whether we like it or not... We might have to settle for improved treatments that reduce the severity and speed up the recovery time, permanent shielding of the vulnerable and the rest of us climb that mountain called herd immunity if we want to have jobs, income, some kind of normality etc.

It just reinforces the statements that 'this isn't the flu' and 'life will be changed for some time if not forever' even more.

 

[justintime129]

A large amount of people being interviewed on radio this morning stating that we should stay in ‘lockdown’ until a vaccine is ready. I have to agree with the statement on page 10 of the government’s Covid plan. The longer we keep this up the worse it will be further down the line.

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Furlough scheme is costing £14bn a month.

That’s £168bn a year.

Renewing Trident is estimated at £205bn.

The bank bailout of 2008 cost £500bn.

Just some perspective.

 

[ninjarabbi]

Furlough scheme is costing £14bn a month.

That’s £168bn a year.

Renewing Trident is estimated at £205bn.

The bank bailout of 2008 cost £500bn.

Just some perspective.

Let’s wait until we see how many businesses go under and what unemployment levels looks like before we perspectives. The final bill could be much, much worse.

 

[Kryten]

Furlough scheme is costing £14bn a month.

That’s £168bn a year.

Renewing Trident is estimated at £205bn.

The bank bailout of 2008 cost £500bn.

Just some perspective.

But the furlough scheme isn't going to run for a year: it'll end in Oct after 7 months so that will cost £98bn.

 

[busby1971]

Government revenues have crashed.

Not much VAT coming in.
Not much Petrol Tax coming in
Reduced Income Tax and National Insurance
Crashed APD income
No Stamp Duty
Council Car parks providing no income
Leisure Centres closed

Expenditure Going Up

Increased expenditure by local authorities to support the vulnerable
More Universal Credit Claims
More going Out in Child Benefit
Subsidising Public Transport
Services are now less efficient
Support for Self Employed
Furlough Scheme
Business Loan guarantee scheme.
Support for the care sector
Extra costs of the NHS

Off the top of my head, and considering the knock on impacts and global nature, this is probably going to be at least a £1t hit to the UK economy.

 

[ninjarabbi]

Further to my short (I was drunk) reply earlier; at least during the financial crash people were still working, shops were open and the economy was functioning. It is going to be a very long time before anything even begins to return to normal, if that’s possible at this point.

idiot of the day has to be the moron who stated on Talkradio this morning that people had changed their shopping habits. Gee, you think? Couldn’t be because most of the f**king ships are shut could it? Dumbass.

 

[Rocket_Ronster]

Government revenues have crashed.

Not much VAT coming in.
Not much Petrol Tax coming in
Reduced Income Tax and National Insurance
Crashed APD income
No Stamp Duty
Council Car parks providing no income
Leisure Centres closed

Expenditure Going Up

Increased expenditure by local authorities to support the vulnerable
More Universal Credit Claims
More going Out in Child Benefit
Subsidising Public Transport
Services are now less efficient
Support for Self Employed
Furlough Scheme
Business Loan guarantee scheme.
Support for the care sector
Extra costs of the NHS

Off the top of my head, and considering the knock on impacts and global nature, this is probably going to be at least a £1t hit to the UK economy.

I'd argue with just about all your expenditure column.
If the vulnerable need support now, they needed it before.
Can't see why Child Benefit has gone up (maybe in 9mths)
Public transport has always been subsidised, all that's happened is privatised profit nationalised debt, again.
Services are more efficient
Loans are loans
The Care Sector was a travesty, £1500pw for a resident, min wage immigrant to do the work.
Rumour on the grapevine, our nearest Nightingale can't open for patients as the oxygen pipes were installed with plastic not copper piping. Give 'em money, they'll waste it.