Yeah, sorry, that came out a bit wrong, i was having a bit of a rant really, not what i meant at all now i've read it again.
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Yeah, sorry, that came out a bit wrong, i was having a bit of a rant really, not what i meant at all now i've read it again.
pilgrimshuffler
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It stands to reason that a lass/lad who goes into theatre and does a good job will come off strong on the board, but a lad/lass could go to theatre and do a **** poor job and hamper their chances on the board, the old argument regarding 90 and their share of the board is tiresome, they stand at a 1/3 of the trade and i'd be very interested to see what their percentage is off the board, i'm guessing it's a third and what is reflective on their numbers, is a convenient moan by non 90SU/TCW personnel. I was promoted with out touching a green tour and i bet that 2/3 of my board will be the same, please please, move on and lets get some useful advice on here to help those after advice.
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flyingbanana
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So does anyone know what number they got upto in the initial release? I know it was 30 posts, but how many turned it down?
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RAFBlueAllTheWay
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1 turned it down and their are still 5 offers to go out for the initial 30. Next release not anticipated until the end of the year currently.
hugo_a_go_go
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Do we know yet how many the next release will be? know the first 30 just about finished
I was 16 on the board and got mine last week, delayed because of being overseas and near the end of my tour. As far as I know there could be one other in the same position.
Not heard anything on future releases.
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RAFBlueAllTheWay
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2 promotions pending from the first release. However, the career manager had just released another 7 (taking it to 38) for use over the next 6 months. Those released will not necessarily be made an offer straight away, but now they are released then promotion is guaranteed as the CM has to go out with an offer at some point.
Before anyone asks he has released them due to some new overseas and UK posts being created as well as several unexpected PVR's and as such this will create some movement around (don't expect to get a prom offer to go overseas!). Once these movements have been covered then a better picture will be available over how many more are likely to be needed through to the closure of the board in May 12.
Before anyone asks he has released them due to some new overseas and UK posts being created as well as several unexpected PVR's and as such this will create some movement around (don't expect to get a prom offer to go overseas!). Once these movements have been covered then a better picture will be available over how many more are likely to be needed through to the closure of the board in May 12.
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Spammy2505
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^^ Am I reading this wrong ar does it seem that reaching number 60 is looking less and less likely??
Spamout
DT_Xtremez_09:quotas
quotas
I never understand these. Sounds a bit suspect?
The quota was 60 and they have done 30 in the first 3 months. 20 something got an offer within the first month, which makes me think they were a little short off the last board, quota of 100+ but stopped at 80 ish. But now they only think they will need 8 for the next 6 months, despite a popular posters PVR and I also know of another 2 going 1 PVR another refused to sign on after picking it up.
The overseas slots were on the books from March?
As far as getting an overseas on promotion, then I agree with RAFBatW. As over the last 5 years the guys out there have been promoted into those slots as part of the old boys network...sorry I mean because of service need of course!DT_Xtremez_14:
quotas
I never understand these. Sounds a bit suspect?
The quota was 60 and they have done 30 in the first 3 months. 20 something got an offer within the first month, which makes me think they were a little short off the last board, quota of 100+ but stopped at 80 ish. But now they only think they will need 8 for the next 6 months, despite a popular posters PVR and I also know of another 2 going 1 PVR another refused to sign on after picking it up.
The overseas slots were on the books from March?
As far as getting an overseas on promotion, then I agree with RAFBatW. As over the last 5 years the guys out there have been promoted into those slots as part of the old boys network...sorry I mean because of service need of course!
DT_Xtremez_14:hugo_a_go_go
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Maybe they have just leaned the lessons from the previous board. Instead of falling way short of the initial figures forcast they might possible go past the 60 quota?
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flyingbanana
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If they were releasing 30 straight away, and they have filled the 30 posts - which I believe they have, 1 or 2 have turned it down. To my mind a release of another 7 would take us upto 39/40. Remebering that one of the top 31 was actually promoted last year and should not have featured on this board.
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RAFBlueAllTheWay
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I am not going to revisit old threads surrounding what used to be called promotion quotas (now known as promotion predictions), but to explain something about the 'second half' of the promotion year. For anyone who speaks with their SNCO's who have been on TMT2 this year then it is clearly explained that once someone is released from the Reserve Promotion Selection List (RPSL) to the Promotion Selection List (PSL) then they have to be made an offer of promotion. Thus the second half of the year if Manning release too many it will have an impact on the next promotion board. They therefore 'dripfeed' the releases to ensure they only have the amount that they require.
In the event that posts become disestablished (as parts of SDSR, future basing etc) Manning need to accommodate those people whose posts have gone. On a positive note, if Manning see an uplift in posts (which is on the cards as current platforms expand and new areas open up to the trade) then they can very quickly ask for more releases (generally takes about 24hrs from requesting a release to the names being transferred). Yes, Manning have only reached No38 (31 (less the one individual who shouldn't have featured) in the first release, and just released a further 7 on the second release) and these people are to fill vacancies arising from Dec 11 through to Mar 11. These vacancies may be created directly as a result of someone going overseas (because a promotee is as eligible for a Sgt's post as a current Sgt under ZEUS), or indeed after having ZEUS'd people to backfill before promoting.
Come Jan 12 then an additional check will be done on further vacancies, those people who need to move under ZEUS, etc and then the CM can ask for a further release if required. So whilst the prediction for 2011/2012 is 60, it is merely that, a prediction. When providing the prediction figure there are many factors that have to be weighed up 'on the day' by the CM to arrive at that figure. An example being if a Sgt has yet to sign on to LOS30 (so currently on a 22yr contract) and their exit dates shows as falling in the promotion year then they are classed as a vacancy arising this in turn translates into a positive promotion figure to add to the prediction. If that Sgt then signs on the vacancy no longer exists and thus Manning doesn't have a post to promote someone into. Another factore is that almost monthly the CM's get an establishment variation table to cross check against their posts, if a post is disestablished this is the first the CM will know about it - they are generally not informed in advance by the sections that have disestablished the posts. These are just two examples of why that prediction figure is so 'fluid' and are very much outside of the control of the CM.
In response to an earlier post, then yes there has been a glut of PVR's within the trade of late, however, not all of these posts are going to create promotiom. Some of those posts were rank-ranged posts where the preferred rank is Cpl, and thus it will fall to the Cpl desk to fill those vacancies when the Sgt exits (sorry to be bearer of bad news).
Finally, and again in response to an earlier post. Yes the CM knows about overseas vacancies, which is why he starts trawling for them early on, however, you can't automatically assume that these are going in turn create UK vacancies to promote into. Who ever goes overseas is doing so to replace (generally) someone is returning to the UK and thus the repat of those people has to be factored in. There are also personnel who are reaching the end of their out of trade tours that have to be accommodated back into trade that could coincide with someone moving overseas. So it isn't quite as cut and dry as some of you may think it is.
I would recommend that if you have a Sgt who has recently returned from TMT2, or your Sgt is going on TMT2 soon, then get the guys together for coffee when they are free and ask them to talk about the knowledge that the CM passes on to them during the course. It will open your eyes up to what they deal with on a daily basis I assure you.
Anyway, hopefully that has given you all some food for thought and I will keep checking back in case there are any other nuggets of information I can pass on to you.
In the event that posts become disestablished (as parts of SDSR, future basing etc) Manning need to accommodate those people whose posts have gone. On a positive note, if Manning see an uplift in posts (which is on the cards as current platforms expand and new areas open up to the trade) then they can very quickly ask for more releases (generally takes about 24hrs from requesting a release to the names being transferred). Yes, Manning have only reached No38 (31 (less the one individual who shouldn't have featured) in the first release, and just released a further 7 on the second release) and these people are to fill vacancies arising from Dec 11 through to Mar 11. These vacancies may be created directly as a result of someone going overseas (because a promotee is as eligible for a Sgt's post as a current Sgt under ZEUS), or indeed after having ZEUS'd people to backfill before promoting.
Come Jan 12 then an additional check will be done on further vacancies, those people who need to move under ZEUS, etc and then the CM can ask for a further release if required. So whilst the prediction for 2011/2012 is 60, it is merely that, a prediction. When providing the prediction figure there are many factors that have to be weighed up 'on the day' by the CM to arrive at that figure. An example being if a Sgt has yet to sign on to LOS30 (so currently on a 22yr contract) and their exit dates shows as falling in the promotion year then they are classed as a vacancy arising this in turn translates into a positive promotion figure to add to the prediction. If that Sgt then signs on the vacancy no longer exists and thus Manning doesn't have a post to promote someone into. Another factore is that almost monthly the CM's get an establishment variation table to cross check against their posts, if a post is disestablished this is the first the CM will know about it - they are generally not informed in advance by the sections that have disestablished the posts. These are just two examples of why that prediction figure is so 'fluid' and are very much outside of the control of the CM.
In response to an earlier post, then yes there has been a glut of PVR's within the trade of late, however, not all of these posts are going to create promotiom. Some of those posts were rank-ranged posts where the preferred rank is Cpl, and thus it will fall to the Cpl desk to fill those vacancies when the Sgt exits (sorry to be bearer of bad news).
Finally, and again in response to an earlier post. Yes the CM knows about overseas vacancies, which is why he starts trawling for them early on, however, you can't automatically assume that these are going in turn create UK vacancies to promote into. Who ever goes overseas is doing so to replace (generally) someone is returning to the UK and thus the repat of those people has to be factored in. There are also personnel who are reaching the end of their out of trade tours that have to be accommodated back into trade that could coincide with someone moving overseas. So it isn't quite as cut and dry as some of you may think it is.
I would recommend that if you have a Sgt who has recently returned from TMT2, or your Sgt is going on TMT2 soon, then get the guys together for coffee when they are free and ask them to talk about the knowledge that the CM passes on to them during the course. It will open your eyes up to what they deal with on a daily basis I assure you.
Anyway, hopefully that has given you all some food for thought and I will keep checking back in case there are any other nuggets of information I can pass on to you.
hugo_a_go_go
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Top post thanks very muchOn another note, i've got someone who has been selected on the RPSL in the low 50's but has only 13 months left to their 22 year point. If they are releasedto the PSL, in say March 12, do manning look at this and bump them up the list for their IMLC/TMT so that they qualify for their LOS 30 offer before runningout of time?
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Yes - I got promoted Jan 10, TMT and IMLC completed early june.
Went to PSF to ask about signing on (as I had dual offer of both) - told it will come in due time, to which I replied, can you chase it as I've got 33 days left in the RAF.
Sign on completed 2 days later by fax!
Gray
(assuming they are still giving out LOS 30 !)
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RAFBlueAllTheWay
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As has been mentioned then someone with 13 months or less left to serve will be made a 'dual offer' of promotion. This is an offer of promotion but also a declaration from the individual that they will sign on to LOS30 when they have completed CMT. In terms of getting them on IMLC and TMT2 then the CM will do the necessary to get the individual through the courses in an appropriate amount of time. If this requires the removal of someone else from the course to facilitate it then they will. However, you are advised that on completion of the necessary courses that you send a courtesy email to the CM so that they can then speak with Change of Engagements to have your paperwork sent out. It is not the responsibility of the CM to send the paperwork to you, but they can certainly expedite it, in most cases, quicker than your unit PSF.
Regarding Change of Engagement then signing on to 22yrs, LOS30, Age 55 on promotion is a given, so long as you want to accept the offer that is. People get mixed up between CoE on promotion and Further Service. Further Service is the offer to sign on from 9 to 12 or 12 to 15. CoE is the contractual agreement between the individual and the Service when offered promotion. This is briefed by Manning at all unit visits they do and in the case of TG4 I know that they brief it at TMT1 and TMT2, so your LM should be dispelling this myth about 'are we still signing people on when they get promoted?' because they have been told. For a communications trade you don't seem to do it between each other too well, LOL!!!!
Also, whilst I am passing on nuggets of information. If you are selected by the Promotion Selection Board (PSB) for prom, then remember you remain on the Reserve Promotion Selection List (RPSL) until the CM requests your release to the Promotion Selection List (PSL). Once this has happened then you can look at posts in the next rank, including those on the manning website volunteers page. Until that happens though don't apply for advertised jobs in the next rank, you will not be considered as you are not yet promoted.
Regarding Change of Engagement then signing on to 22yrs, LOS30, Age 55 on promotion is a given, so long as you want to accept the offer that is. People get mixed up between CoE on promotion and Further Service. Further Service is the offer to sign on from 9 to 12 or 12 to 15. CoE is the contractual agreement between the individual and the Service when offered promotion. This is briefed by Manning at all unit visits they do and in the case of TG4 I know that they brief it at TMT1 and TMT2, so your LM should be dispelling this myth about 'are we still signing people on when they get promoted?' because they have been told. For a communications trade you don't seem to do it between each other too well, LOL!!!!
Also, whilst I am passing on nuggets of information. If you are selected by the Promotion Selection Board (PSB) for prom, then remember you remain on the Reserve Promotion Selection List (RPSL) until the CM requests your release to the Promotion Selection List (PSL). Once this has happened then you can look at posts in the next rank, including those on the manning website volunteers page. Until that happens though don't apply for advertised jobs in the next rank, you will not be considered as you are not yet promoted.
mamoriesinverted
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Advice wanted
Advice wanted
Where do I stand...I came off the current board in the high teens and am currently temp downgraded. I have just been informed that I will not get picked up this year until I am upgraded and potentially if my injury persists I will be over looked and put back in the pot for selection again next year. I was selected above my peers for promotion and I am missing out financially and on seniority in my potential next rank. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Advice wanted
Where do I stand...I came off the current board in the high teens and am currently temp downgraded. I have just been informed that I will not get picked up this year until I am upgraded and potentially if my injury persists I will be over looked and put back in the pot for selection again next year. I was selected above my peers for promotion and I am missing out financially and on seniority in my potential next rank. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
hugo_a_go_go
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So have you been released to the PSL?