Maa & trimble

[Downsizer]

Getting back to the core issue, where I work an email has recently been sent round listing all the speeding offenders by name and the percentage they were above the speedlimit, but not the actual speedlimit they broke. The WC then highlighted his arbitrary few to be MAA'd. Thats not right IMO.

 

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

Not disagreeing with you (trust me I'm not) but out of interest how would you deal with those statistics if you were the MTO? Genuinely interested.


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[Rugby-Jock-Lad]

Only really severe speed limit breakages MAAd?

WC trying to make a name for himself??

 

[delboy]

Well this escalated quickly........many thanks for all the comments, I understand it has divided opinion like most issues on here. Let me update you on what has happened to date.

Today i was MAA'd for failing to adhere to MT orders with not signing out a vehicle, there was nothing to do with speeding on the MAA. I believe that the speeding wasn't taken into consideration as I question why (being my 1st alleged offence) no one else was being done for speeding and people had numerous offences that month, they have decided to do me for the paperwork alone. It does seem strange that the only reason they have noticed the 1 line missing on the FMT was traced back to the alleged offence, not sure what peoples opinions are on that?

I told the officer handing down the MAA that I could guarantee him that if I looked through all the archived paperwork, I would easily pick up many flaws in it's accuracy, his reply was for me to do so and he would issue MAA action to them accordingly, to my suprise the first page I look at was the said officers name on it four times (this was for only 1 vehicle in 1 month and for him alone, I could have had everyone bang to rights if I looked further)

No way do I wish to drop everyone into the sh¡t but I have seriously been made to feel like a scapegoat in this, I asked where was my informal chat prior to MAA action but no obvious answer was given.

I have asked for a formal review to which I believe is being carried out by a officer above who has veen instrumental in the blanket issuing of admin action down the chain for MT issues, surely he isn't impartial, any thoughts on that aswell?

It does feel like it has escalated quite quickly in work and a whole can of worms is going to open up, all I was hoping for was for them to send an email out and remind people of the rules, not jump on me while everyone else stands back and watches.

 

[Barch]

Not disagreeing with you (trust me I'm not) but out of interest how would you deal with those statistics if you were the MTO? Genuinely interested.


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Stop being Prosecutor, Judge & Jury and let it be known that assistance will be given to the civilain police in any road traffic offences that they may be investigating.

 

[Downsizer]

Not disagreeing with you (trust me I'm not) but out of interest how would you deal with those statistics if you were the MTO? Genuinely interested.


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I wouldn't have chain emailed everyones names around the workplace. And if I did, it would be one in all in on the MAA front. Not picking out those who are in or out of his clique.

 

[RAF Bird]

You clearly do not understand the P1 process. Sorry if you think I'm patronising you but if he fights the MAA there will be an investigation with possible escalation with all factors and evidence considered. If that brings further failings into consideration then P1 and legal will act upon that.

Going round in circles here tbh so I've said my bit and have based it on things that have happened here at Wittering not barrack block lawyer gen. Whatever the OP chooses to do is up to him.


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I do understand it very well thank you very much. You clearly can not see beyond your blinkers even for a minute to try to understand any point of view other than your own. Nevermind.

 

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

Maa & trimble

Points taken.

To the OP a reviewing officer is part of the MAA process. If you feel you are being hard done by or mistreated I would speak to someone you trust for advice and counsel.

P1 here are very approachable and depending how you put across your concerns you may do well to speak to the P1 clerk where you are. I would definitely speak to someone, potentially take them with you to P1. This isn't to necessarily pick apart the way you are being dealt with but hopefully put you at ease either way. Nobody should ever feel like they are being made a scapegoat so that does need addressing. If you have any further concerns or need some offline advice feel free to PM me.


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[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

Maa & trimble

I do understand it very well thank you very much. You clearly can not see beyond your blinkers even for a minute to try to understand any point of view other than your own. Nevermind.

Great point. Somewhere probably.

For the record it looks like what I said would happen has happened. Not that I take any pleasure in that.

Carry on.


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[Mug?]

Can of Worms

Can of Worms

Always wound me up guys not filling out the paperwork over the years.
Finding I had signed for 50 miles after a 2 mile journey. But FL.
You said the OP should admit an offence they denied to prevent the now escalation?

I took some grief for something not down to me. Regretted it since and still gets to me when I think about it now.
The "Its best to accept and move on" or " don't question it, it will get worse" advice grates me.

It's also typical of the RAF I left, that a system designed to improve productivity/ track assets and enable more efficient vehicle management is being used to stitch (some) people.

 

[RAF Bird]

Great point. Somewhere probably.

For the record it looks like what I said would happen has happened. Not that I take any pleasure in that.

Carry on.


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Grow up. I've read pages and pages of you saying what a great supportive JO you are to your guys yet you advise someone to take an MAA for something he claimed not to do. He was MAA'd in the end for something else which isn't what you said would happen - you said it would be escalated. To me and I'm sure most of the other posters this would mean a charge. I'll just be thankful you are not my Flt Cdr should I even need support.

 

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

No I didn't. I told him that given that Trimble had found he had been speeding and that he didn't deny it, merely couldn't remember speeding, should accept it rather than fighting what is minor punishment. Especially given that he admitted driving the car and making the journey stating that he hadn't signed the paperwork. A lot of this thread is a result of people simply not reading the posts properly or just seeing what they want to see.


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[Rugby-Jock-Lad]

No I didn't. I told him that given that Trimble had found he had been speeding and that he didn't deny it, merely couldn't remember speeding, should accept it rather than fighting what is minor punishment. Especially given that he admitted driving the car and making the journey stating that he hadn't signed the paperwork. A lot of this thread is a result of people simply not reading the posts properly or just seeing what they want to see.


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And there was me thinking it was just because of your "brainwashing" into believing that you're a "leader" and higher-than-though attitude. Empathy and understanding clearly isn't in your vocabulary and yet you claim to have the ear of the troops and be their confidant.

You clearly have no understanding on what makes the troops beat to the tune or their culture!!

 

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

Grow up. I've read pages and pages of you saying what a great supportive JO you are to your guys yet you advise someone to take an MAA for something he claimed not to do. He was MAA'd in the end for something else which isn't what you said would happen - you said it would be escalated. To me and I'm sure most of the other posters this would mean a charge. I'll just be thankful you are not my Flt Cdr should I even need support.

I never told him to take an MAA for something he claimed not to do at all. He said he couldn't remember. He made the journey and didn't sign the paperwork as he stated and Trimble has shown he was speeding.

I stated that if he fought it it would be escalated and he would end up being charged for not signing paperwork not speeding. As it stands this has happened anyway.

Now you've had your tantrum re-read and crack on. Your last point being one of your most childish to date. I have offered him some advice and also, if he wishes, some offline answers.

Maybe follow your own advice on growing up?


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[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

And there was me thinking it was just because of your "brainwashing" into believing that you're a "leader" and higher-than-though attitude. Empathy and understanding clearly isn't in your vocabulary and yet you claim to have the ear of the troops and be their confidant.

You clearly have no understanding on what makes the troops beat to the tune or their culture!!

This makes even less sense than anything you've written so far. Congratulations. I never called myself a leader so the quotations are baffling.


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[delboy]

No I didn't. I told him that given that Trimble had found he had been speeding and that he didn't deny it, merely couldn't remember speeding, should accept it rather than fighting what is minor punishment. Especially given that he admitted driving the car and making the journey stating that he hadn't signed the paperwork. A lot of this thread is a result of people simply not reading the posts properly or just seeing what they want to see.


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i haven't admitted speeding either, it was 5 and a half months ago, I forgot what speed I was driving 5 hours ago (within the limits obviously).

 

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

i haven't admitted speeding either, it was 5 and a half months ago, I forgot what speed I was driving 5 hours ago (within the limits obviously).

I know. Without wanting to cover old ground my advice was that given you were driving the vehicle and Trimble had shown that vehicle was speeding you were best not fighting it purely because you had stated you hadn't signed required paperwork and it would in all likelihood be what you would end up receiving administrative action for.

This was agreed by several other posters but clouded by a few barrack block lawyers.

I meant what I said. If you need any further advice on the way you feel you have been treated feel free to PM me.


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[muttywhitedog]

SAC and Flt Lt both break speed limit on the highway on their way to work and are caught by police. Both get £100 fine and 3 points on their licence.

SAC and Flt Lt both break the speed limit whilst driving MT and are caught by the MTO. One gets punished, and the other doesnt.

Therein lies the problem gents.

 

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

^^^ agreed ^^^


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[delboy]

Getting back to the core issue, where I work an email has recently been sent round listing all the speeding offenders by name and the percentage they were above the speedlimit, but not the actual speedlimit they broke. The WC then highlighted his arbitrary few to be MAA'd. Thats not right IMO.

That sounds very familiar mate