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Pay Rise 2009

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rest have risen above me said:
We're getting a bit desperate when we have to get the sick/lame fighting for us.. The defense of Berlin springs to mind.
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I think the original poster was referring to the fact that the Army send out it's glass backs and twisted socks to operational theatres but employ them in REMF posts.

When I was in Kosovo half the Army lads, from the Support Unit element, were on self supervised PT because of one medical reason or the other.
 
busby1971 said:
I think the original poster was referring to the fact that the Army send out it's glass backs and twisted socks to operational theatres but employ them in REMF posts.

When I was in Kosovo half the Army lads, from the Support Unit element, were on self supervised PT because of one medical reason or the other.
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And we then spend thousands of pounds on Aeromed flights to send them back to the UK because, guess what? That's right, living with an injury or illness in an operational environment is bloody difficult.

These individuals on the whole shouldn't have been deployed. The downgrading system is there to protect the individual and the organisation.

Much as we all like to bump our gums about deploying more frequently because of downgraded colleagues, I'd rather know I was going every 12 - 18 months and be able to plan around it than have a lastminute.com booking every couple of years and have to prep in a week because I need to replace someone who has been sent home and shouldn't have been there in the first place.
 
Nec Aspera Terrent said:
And we then spend thousands of pounds on Aeromed flights to send them back to the UK because, guess what? That's right, living with an injury or illness in an operational environment is bloody difficult.

These individuals on the whole shouldn't have been deployed. The downgrading system is there to protect the individual and the organisation.

Much as we all like to bump our gums about deploying more frequently because of downgraded colleagues, I'd rather know I was going every 12 - 18 months and be able to plan around it than have a lastminute.com booking every couple of years and have to prep in a week because I need to replace someone who has been sent home and shouldn't have been there in the first place.
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You probably think we should all ban landmines, we should all hug a hoodie and that Santa Claus really does exist. ******

Simple solution, if you cannot do a full range of duties, you're out. No excuses, no exceptions (service injuries included - with the appropriate medical support system obviously).

Treat everyone the same. Some may lose out, but we can't afford to carry dead wood in the current climate.

A4G1Z1 all the way.
 
MontyPlumbs said:
You probably think we should all ban landmines, we should all hug a hoodie and that Santa Claus really does exist. ******

Simple solution, if you cannot do a full range of duties, you're out. No excuses, no exceptions (service injuries included - with the appropriate medical support system obviously).

Treat everyone the same. Some may lose out, but we can't afford to carry dead wood in the current climate.

A4G1Z1 all the way.
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Ban Landmines? Yes. Indiscriminate weapons are indefensible.
Hug a Hoodie? No. Try to understand a Hoodie, motivate a Hoodie to improve, train a Hoodie? Yes. Punish a criminal Hoodie? Yes.
Santa Claus? Have you read any of my previous posts at all? If you had, you'd know exactly where I stand on mythology.

Your half-witted attitude to rehabilitation from injury and illness reveals you to be more of a ****** than I am. Service life sometimes means that you are injured. Protecting injured folk appropriately means they return to fitness more rapidly.

Under your system, if I was to get a knee injury that took 12 months to recover from, the RAF would lose a tradesman. Replacing that asset would potentially take 6 - 12 months of recruiting time and 3 years of trade-training time, the cost of that training would far outweigh the cost of giving me a bit of physio!

Go and have another think about it!
 
Also the RAF has a duty of care to it's employees. If someone is broken whilst serving you can't just kick them out. You have to try to fix them and get them back online.
Its attitudes like this that make me hopping mad. It would be different if these people suddenly broke themselves and faced their own criticisms.
Everyone contributes in their own way regardless of their med cat. Those who are genuinely swinging the lead should be kicked out. Those who do nothing but bitch and moan about downgraders all day long should be stuck in a dead end job out of the way so they don't infect the rest of the populace with their contant whinging. wankers
 
Try and keep the thread vaguely on track people...Obviously the lead swinging subject is one we have done on here before and very emotive for a lot of you but this thread is about the pay rise of 2009!
 
From AP's link..

“It is unacceptable that the public sector should not share any of this pain. There is already an apartheid between the public and private sectors on pensions. We cannot have apartheid on pay too.”
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I didn't see these feckers fighting to get us bigger rises when the private boys were getting the big rises...
 
Inflation Inflation Inflation

Inflation Inflation Inflation

Inflation is a strange thing, RPI or CPI are general rates that are averages, they are what a may or may not affect a typical person in this country. For instance the RPI is now down to, or just under 0, however, GB liked the CPI rate because it didn't take into account the rising cost of housing during the boom and enabled him to reducte public sector pay and benefit rises during the good times.

It is all well and good saying that deflation is round the corner, however, based on the past 12 months and taking the normal Sep CPI rate as a given I am 5% worse off now than I was last year, therefore to stand still I need a 5% pay rise. If delfation does come along, and with the huge fall in the value of Sterling this is not certain, then give me a 0% pay rise, however that's tomorrow not today. During the good times we did get a little bit more (and I do mean just a little bit more) than inflation (retention, recruitment and increased Op Tempo were the drivers here) so at these times of need a slightly smaller rise is to be expected, bit GB must not take the Pish.

As an aside, the current rate of food inflation is about 10% and the cost of living for Pensioners is rising at 9%pa.
 
its now the 2nd of march and still no mention of a pay rise.

i think the '3 year freeze' i mentioned on a previous post may well be true......

BO!!OCKS!
 
I refer to my previous, the PM is getting up on about the 15/3 and announcing all public sector pay rises at the same time. (unless its leaked first of course).
 
plus if we do get an 'above inflation' pay rise, there will be public outrage.

Either way, this governments screwed come the next general election.
 
Does it fcuking matter when it is announced??? Are you getting the money before Apr 1st? Longer they delay it the more we get your fcuking bleating.
 
SirSaltyHelmet said:
Does it fcuking matter when it is announced??? Are you getting the money before Apr 1st? Longer they delay it the more we get your fcuking bleating.
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i was just supplying new info found on the news. nothing wrong with that. if your not bothered dont read the thread you retard!
 
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