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Pay Rise 2009

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T55 said:
Yes, strange isn't it that the government prefer tp use the CPI as a basis for pay rises rather than the RPI? Undoubtedly because the CPI is generally lower and false in my opinion. Now the CPI is higher than the RPI it seems to have caught the government out. Perhaps they need the extra time to manipulate the figures to their own benefit? Maybe, after all these years, they have decided to base pay increase on the RPI now it is to their advantage?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7844962.stm
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Could be some truth in that, the current CPI being about 2% above RPI and the fact that they have consistently said that regardless of the current CPI, it's always been the previous September's figure that is used (5%), their argument shall be interesting even if it will be full of lies and sh1te! Something along the lines of "we've decided to use the RPI this year as it suits our figures and of course there is always the Credit Crunch..." to fall back on. That specific term should be banned, every cnut is using it as a smoke and mirrors routine.:PDT_Xtremez_17:
 
Thread makes good reading as usual people! I've no doubt that the powers that be are taking thier time to give themselves a chance to fix the figures so as we get the lowest % possible. They wouldn't want to induce morale outbreaks amongst the troops would they! I'm interested to read just how they try and lie to us about how good the deal is though, spin, spin and more spin me thinks!
 
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Flt Lt Badminton-Squash said:
The pay rise this year is late because they are waiting for the bank of England’s next review where it is fully expected to go to 0%, thus the RAF/MoD can then give us 0.50 to 0.75% pay rise and claim its inflation busting….mark my words!

Anyway, just a thought…
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FLBS you appear to have mistaken interest rates for inflation rates.

Must be announced soon.. never known it this late before.
 
Flt Lt Badminton-Squash said:
The pay rise this year is late because they are waiting for the bank of England’s next review where it is fully expected to go to 0%, thus the RAF/MoD can then give us 0.50 to 0.75% pay rise and claim its inflation busting….mark my words!

Anyway, just a thought…
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Bizarrely enough, the new JSP 752 revision with the new allowances rates isn't due to be published until 1 Mar 09 - coincidence?
 
TrebleB said:
Bizarrely enough, the new JSP 752 revision with the new allowances rates isn't due to be published until 1 Mar 09 - coincidence?
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searched for JSP 752 at work today, saw it had been updated yesterday, so i opened it up, and on the bottom of every page it has the date of 01/03/2009.

so its already had the 1st march revision.

no mention of the pay rise, probably means no pay rise.

also, i was told that last year it was said that we were getting what ever the rise was last year, but it would be then frozen for 3 years possibly an evil rumour!. sounds crap i know, but then consider the afprb job that was mentioned earlier in the thread is asking to fill a space available from march 2010 (after the 2010 pay rise would be announced) therefore chairing the board for the 2011 pay review board.

so.....

last rise in 2008, frozen for 3 years, new chair on review board in 2011.

makes sense to me.
 
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I know there has been a revision on GYH(T) - (I'm not going into details here!!)

but the allowances rates haven't been included yet.....
 
The latest is that the PM is going to announce all the public sector pay rises in one go which may be as late as middle of March. get all the pian over in one go I guess.

Maybe we're all getting a share of the RBS pension scheme.
 
The NHS got their pay rise reported very recently - 2.4% in April. Considering the last few years of their crappie pay rises I thought they got a good deal. Can't see us lot getting any less than that. Mind you, this is Labour we're talking about. They are going to lose the rest of this trade very shortly - 8 left of which 5 are deployable (albeit some (3?) supposedly qualifying in the summer). Problem is everyone i coming up to their 12 or 22 years and don't care for OOAs every 12 months working with the army. With the impending withdrawal from Telic there may be some respite but can see massive increases in number (following the yankee lead in afgan). I'd like to see a some sort of monetary lose to those who are non-deployable. Why should they be paid the same when they do sweet FA? ::/:
 
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I heard yesterday that all WSOp's were getting an inflation busting, retention causing 11.5%...Sounds about right...
 
Vim_Fuego said:
I heard yesterday that all WSOp's were getting an inflation busting, retention causing 11.5%...Sounds about right...
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Is that an Anally retention bonus you lot have deserved that for ages :PDT_Xtremez_15:.. Talking of AGES they're getting full flying pay a 15% basic rise and a 50k (just because we love you because you're ace) bonus.
 
smallesttradeintheRAF said:
eh yes but don't they theoretically get X-factor? Cheap rent? Free uniform? Cheap beer?
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I'm not sure about your use of the word "theoretically"? I'd have thought they actually do get the x-factor, cheap rent (only if they have service accommodation), free uniform and cheap beer (for the NAAFI cowboys). Do you suggest that they have to pay for their uniform or pay the full market rate for a quarter in an area they might not want to be just because they're non-deployable. Even many of those non-deployable might well do guard duty, get posted and work unsocial hours - all things the x-factor is there for.

I'd guess that you might well be one of those that'd whinge the loudest if, for no fault of your own, you had an injury that'd prevent you deploying and your pay packet was hit. As pointed out, those that don't/can't deploy to the "fun" places won't get the extra allowance anyway, so that does mean they get paid less than those that do go.
 
'Tis a tricky situation indeed, and not one i'd want to have to contend with.

The truth is that all trades need a sizable uplift in basic pay, given OOA commitments, etc. Will it happen? -i think not. Mr Brown has the perfect 'excuse' in the economic 'downturn'.

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Service Nurses and Specialist pay are my personal concern.
For the last 3-4 years the board (AFPRB) has criticised the MOD for allowing A&E, O/Th and ITU cadres in particular to become badly affected by improving NHS (under AfC) pay, amongst other things. The pay advantage of being a Service Nurse has gone now-especially for those with 8-10 years experience in a speciality- There are no promotion prospects to counter this either. Watch those Cpl's and Sgt's PVR!!

Desperate times. The ONLY answer is more money if there is to be no promotion (speciality pay spine anyone??)....
 
Odie said:
I'm not sure about your use of the word "theoretically"

I'd guess that you might well be one of those that'd whinge the loudest if, for no fault of your own, you had an injury that'd prevent you deploying and your pay packet was hit. As pointed out, those that don't/can't deploy to the "fun" places won't get the extra allowance anyway, so that does mean they get paid less than those that do go.
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'Theoretically' mean do we actually get an X-factor in the first place. I earn the same, if not less than my civilian counterparts.

If you get injured 'in the line of duty' then keep the money. If you break you leg in many places whilst out on the **** then accept responsibility and get over it. TBH I think that we should become more like the Army in this respect and ensure a speedier exit for those on permanent downgrades or deploy them into OOA slots to just work on camps/bases. There are so many slots that can be just filled by any rank of any trade to undertake admin duties. If they start moaning about being able to get on the floor fast enough when the rockets start, just remind them of the squaddies who have been hit by IEDs etc on a ward.

With regards to your second comment, I'm talking about those people who get themselves downgraded and then upgraded then downgraded all to suit them and their promotion. I see it every week, especially in the medical services.

You third comment - what about those in OOAs that aren't covered by the by the extra allowance?
 
smallesttradeintheRAF said:
'Theoretically' mean do we actually get an X-factor in the first place. I earn the same, if not less than my civilian counterparts.

If you get injured 'in the line of duty' then keep the money. If you break you leg in many places whilst out on the **** then accept responsibility and get over it. TBH I think that we should become more like the Army in this respect and ensure a speedier exit for those on permanent downgrades or deploy them into OOA slots to just work on camps/bases. There are so many slots that can be just filled by any rank of any trade to undertake admin duties. If they start moaning about being able to get on the floor fast enough when the rockets start, just remind them of the squaddies who have been hit by IEDs etc on a ward.
With regards to your second comment, I'm talking about those people who get themselves downgraded and then upgraded then downgraded all to suit them and their promotion. I see it every week, especially in the medical services.

You third comment - what about those in OOAs that aren't covered by the by the extra allowance?
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We're getting a bit desperate when we have to get the sick/lame fighting for us.. The defense of Berlin springs to mind.
 
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