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PAYD Bringing ISS To Its Knees

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Trusty Adjusty said:
Having invested heavily in super block/SLAM I honestly can't see the MOD investing further in making the necessary upgrades to what are totally inadequate facilities for juniors who should have the option - which was the whole point of PAYD -CHOICE.
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If they are reading. This is my biggest concern. The juniors should have a choice to cook for themselves instead of being trapped into an ISS monopoly. In the grand scheme of things, it can't be that expensive to renovate the utility rooms with adequate facilities, certainly much cheaper than paying the annual salary of a team of Stewards in the officers mess.

Vee2 said:
This thread has got me thinking about something I posted recently - http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/archive/index.php/t-40745.html



I know a lot of people who have fridges in their rooms so that they can store their food and try to eat fresh.
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If storing food in rooms is a problem. The only way around it is for them to provide fridge freezers in utility rooms so that it doesn't have to happen.

FOMz said:
I love the phrase Health & Safety issues..... People try and use it as a blanket... You just can't do it ok..
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I know, it seems if they don't want you to do something, they always use the H&S excuse as a reason why. "You can't have a cooker in the block, for H&S reasons" .... But everyone else outside the RAF can.
It is wrong to say grown service men in SLA are unable to cook for themselves but the rest of the nation can use a cooker after going to the pub if they want. Students have been doing it for decades.
A mate made a good point "If cookers are such a fire hazard. Why do they have them in aircraft with tons of fuel" ?
 
Christ people have cookers when they go camping and you don't get a more serious risk than a can of propane, some matches, uneven ground and a polyester tent... but somehow normal grown ups seem to manage very well and don't kill hundreds everytime they fancy a sausage sarnie.

It does make you wonder what goes on behind closed doors sometimes, especially with the amount of people in the mob who have done IOSH or NEBOSH, shocking really.

Maybe it's just the old 'do as your told' mentality and few people can seriously be arsed to challenge it, after all, it's probably not career enhancing to be seen as a trouble maker.
 
Having been NCO IC block, I've seen what happens when some 'singlies' are given responsibility for their own waste paper bin. :PDT_Xtremez_42:

On the other hand, I've seen the aftermath of some 'scalies' marching out of quarters, and using their disturbance allowance as payment for a cooker that looked more like a BBQ pit. :PDT_Xtremez_42:
 
needsabiggerfuse said:
Having been NCO IC block, I've seen what happens when some 'singlies' are given responsibility for their own waste paper bin. :PDT_Xtremez_42:

On the other hand, I've seen the aftermath of some 'scalies' marching out of quarters, and using their disturbance allowance as payment for a cooker that looked more like a BBQ pit. :PDT_Xtremez_42:
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People have burnt down their houses before due to stupidity, but we haven't banned cooking at home yet!
 
XVR RA RA RA said:
If they are reading. This is my biggest concern. The juniors should have a choice to cook for themselves instead of being trapped into an ISS monopoly. In the grand scheme of things, it can't be that expensive to renovate the utility rooms with adequate facilities, certainly much cheaper than paying the annual salary of a team of Stewards in the officers mess.



If storing food in rooms is a problem. The only way around it is for them to provide fridge freezers in utility rooms so that it doesn't have to happen.



I know, it seems if they don't want you to do something, they always use the H&S excuse as a reason why. "You can't have a cooker in the block, for H&S reasons" .... But everyone else outside the RAF can.
It is wrong to say grown service men in SLA are unable to cook for themselves but the rest of the nation can use a cooker after going to the pub if they want. Students have been doing it for decades.
A mate made a good point "If cookers are such a fire hazard. Why do they have them in aircraft with tons of fuel" ?
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If you tell everyone that having cookers and fridges in SLA is dangerous then eventually everyone will think that it is. I guess that the team behind SLA were previously people who were told it is dangerous to cook in the block when they joined the Service many years previously! They were all brainwashed and think we have been also. If it was truly about choice then all of this would not have been an issue and we'd be arguing about something else. It is all a huge cock up and I don’t see it getting better now that the Service has rolled PAYD out to most camps.
The traditions are dissapearing and we are trying to live in the past.
 
MontyPlumbs said:
People have burnt down their houses before due to stupidity, but we haven't banned cooking at home yet!
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You miss my point. I'll put it another way. How long would it take before a 'communal' facility like say an oven, turned into salmonella city?

A group of airmen, all cooking at different times, etc. Who's the dirty b@stard who let something boil over, and didn't clean up, etc, etc. Personally, as SNCO IC block, I had enough trouble keeping tabs on a feckin' electric iron that someone had scorched.

At least with the MQ, someone has signed for the property and can be held responsible.
 
needsabiggerfuse said:
You miss my point. I'll put it another way. How long would it take before a 'communal' facility like say an oven, turned into salmonella city?

A group of airmen, all cooking at different times, etc. Who's the dirty b@stard who let something boil over, and didn't clean up, etc, etc. Personally, as SNCO IC block, I had enough trouble keeping tabs on a feckin' electric iron that someone had scorched.

At least with the MQ, someone has signed for the property and can be held responsible.
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Well, I don't know how it works in most blocks (older ones), but the SLAM at Wittering had 8 rooms per corridor which was only accessible using one of the room keys.

Result? If the kitchen was a festering sh1t hole, only 8 people got punished rather than the other 96.

If the RAF is such a special case, how do they go about in student accomodation? Or do they trust the grown ups may just be able to look after themselves? After all, military personnel are supposed to be more self disciplined and trustworthy than student scum.

You can't make everyone suffer due to the selfish actions of a few, unless it's the RAF of course and then it's okay to be stuck in the 1940s.
 
Cant wait for my clearance 'sig' of the assistant SWO when he can explain what hes done with all the cooking equipment he removed from the blocks..........maybe then a letter to the Sun???
 
fatboy11 said:
Cant wait for my clearance 'sig' of the assistant SWO when he can explain what hes done with all the cooking equipment he removed from the blocks..........maybe then a letter to the Sun???
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The problem is, what will a letter to The Sun achieve? They may style themselves as the Forces' newspaper but they will write any story which sells papers and a bunch of servicemen moaning about paying less than £3 for a 3-course meal is not how I think any of us would wish this story to be portrayed. The fact that Holland's pies would be an upgrade in food quality would certainly be lost to the Great British tabloid-reading public.
 
Pudding chips and peas is three courses to some people..............
 
True Blue Jack said:
The problem is, what will a letter to The Sun achieve? They may style themselves as the Forces' newspaper but they will write any story which sells papers and a bunch of servicemen moaning about paying less than £3 for a 3-course meal is not how I think any of us would wish this story to be portrayed. The fact that Holland's pies would be an upgrade in food quality would certainly be lost to the Great British tabloid-reading public.
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Maybe the embarrassment will force the policy makers to take note that PAYD is failing and make them do something about it.

Its only a problem if the policy makers have something to hide.

An example of what the media can achieve is when RBS exec Frank Goodwin had his knighthood put in the shredder.
 
fatalbert said:
Is the catering situation the same for SNCOs and Officers? If so, what are your Managers doing to rectify the catering problem portrayed?
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Believe it or not the Junior Ranks have a better selection in their Mess as there is more of them! SNCO's get 1 core choice, then more expensive choices, Juniors here at Marham get 2-3 core choices. Unfortunatly its the same slop.
 
One thing that hasn't been answered is what are the current catering arrangements for the Officer cadre?
 
Officer Catering

Officer Catering

Realist78 said:
One thing that hasn't been answered is what are the current catering arrangements for the Officer cadre?
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Posts 315 onward cover some of this ground.

Thankyou TBJ for taking the time to answer my queries on OM catering. I hope all Nonpas offices ( if they still exist) are charging the contractor a stack for recovering monies due via mess bills.
 
putting it in a nutshell,todays air force is armed up more than ever before and been at war since 2003,but someone thinks that its troops cannot be trusted to cook in the block,its bollocks all to do with h&s or fire regs,just the fact that payd must be seen to work and more important seen to make a profit,it was bad enough getting ripped off by naafi but at least they had to put something backto the S I fund.
 
your not kidding, the "NAFFI" (ISS) charges £1:90 for a poxy loaf of bread! stand and deliver!!!!!!
 
stereolab said:
I hope all Nonpas offices ( if they still exist) are charging the contractor a stack for recovering monies due via mess bills.
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I think you may find that it is very difficult - or nearly impossible for NONPAS units to recover outstanding mess bills from ISS Units...
 
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