PAYD Bringing ISS To Its Knees

[Barch]

I think you may find that it is very difficult - or nearly impossible for NONPAS units to recover outstanding mess bills from ISS Units...

I think sterolab was meaning the collection of monies being the other way round.

Officer signs for meal on messing tab.

Officer pays mess bill to NONPAS.

NONPAS pays money to ISS.

Does NONPAS charge ISS an administration fee for actioning the payments?

 

[Dazzy26]

I think sterolab was meaning the collection of monies being the other way round.

Officer signs for meal on messing tab.

Officer pays mess bill to NONPAS.

NONPAS pays money to ISS.

Does NONPAS charge ISS an administration fee for actioning the payments?

Not sure if I've misunderstood what you're saying, but NONPAS have nothing to do with Mess Bills at ISS units. The old Mess Clerks are now employed by ISS and Mess Bills are paid direct to ISS via Standing Order, any reclaim is nothing to do with the MOD these days.

 

[Barch]

Not sure if I've misunderstood what you're saying, but NONPAS have nothing to do with Mess Bills at ISS units. The old Mess Clerks are now employed by ISS and Mess Bills are paid direct to ISS via Standing Order, any reclaim is nothing to do with the MOD these days.

I stand corrected.

 

[stereolab]

ISS Units

ISS Units

I think sterolab was meaning the collection of monies being the other way round.

Officer signs for meal on messing tab.

Officer pays mess bill to NONPAS.

NONPAS pays money to ISS.

Does NONPAS charge ISS an administration fee for actioning the payments?

Thats exactly what I meant. As an ex Nonpas clerk I well remember being shafted for non core duties, particularly as the Merwehrsteur Clerk in Germany, I was assuming that ISS would be having it all their own way, seems i was wrong. Barch's input has cleared this up for me. It was so much simpler in my time, just as well.

 

[techie_tubby]

Well, I don't know how it works in most blocks (older ones), but the SLAM at Wittering had 8 rooms per corridor which was only accessible using one of the room keys.Result? If the kitchen was a festering sh1t hole, only 8 people got punished rather than the other 96.If the RAF is such a special case, how do they go about in student accomodation? Or do they trust the grown ups may just be able to look after themselves? After all, military personnel are supposed to be more self disciplined and trustworthy than student scum.You can't make everyone suffer due to the selfish actions of a few, unless it's the RAF of course and then it's okay to be stuck in the 1940s.

That's how the SLAM blocks at Leeming where when they wher ebuilt but they quickly got changed because it was very insociable, people where using big red door stops to keep the door open or taping the locks open so that their mates could pop round and see them. Also the fire section said that unless they where given skeleton keys then the doors would have to be changed because the guard room couldn't give out the master keys unless work services where present.

 

[duffman]

because the guard room couldn't give out the master keys unless work services where present.

Sounds like more nonsense, they may well be various reasons for people to need access, I'm not sure why WS would be need to be present?

Looking through this thread (not so much at payd) but I still find it amazing at how much nonsense people in the RAF come up with, under banners of H&S and the such like, more like I'm bored and want to show everyone I'm in charge. I guess I shouldn't be so surprised...

 

[stacker1195]

Currently living in the mess at a former RAF depot in the West Midlands now an army barracks. Their CRL is run by Sodexo and I don't think I've yet left the table there not stuffed!! Case in point, the apple pie I had for pud tonight as part of the core would have easily been split into at least 4 portions had it been under ISS/ESS. And it was made from scratch by service chefs! Something has gone wrong somewhere under this Super CRL thingummy.


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[timaloy]

Must admit the sodexo contract seemed a good one, at bicester they actually asked us what we wanted for core meal at breakfast, and if they could do it they would, 9 times put of.10 they came up a blinder

 

[XVR RA RA RA]

Must admit the sodexo contract seemed a good one, at bicester they actually asked us what we wanted for core meal at breakfast, and if they could do it they would, 9 times put of.10 they came up a blinder

Worth remembering that before pay as you dine, you could have got what you wanted for breakfast and wouldn't leave hungry. You don't want an egg but an extra rasher of bacon? All the possible combinations were no problem back then.

 

[Tyson]

We were discussing messing at work last night and came up with a solution. The XL bar, shop and messes as well as any other places to eat on camp should be replaced, Weatherspoons could take over the bars and serve evening meals (after a fashion), Tesco express should take over all the Spars and add a Subway and a McDonalds for lunch/snacks, breakfast to be taken in your block/room for cereal/toast or McDonalds for cooked. Keeping the Officers and SNCO Messes for accommodation and functions.

No subsidies, core menu or nonsense, just let everyone sort themselves out.

I'm sure these companies would be able to run it at a profit.

 

[True Blue Jack]

We were discussing messing at work last night and came up with a solution. The XL bar, shop and messes as well as any other places to eat on camp should be replaced, Weatherspoons could take over the bars and serve evening meals (after a fashion), Tesco express should take over all the Spars and add a Subway and a McDonalds for lunch/snacks, breakfast to be taken in your block/room for cereal/toast or McDonalds for cooked. Keeping the Officers and SNCO Messes for accommodation and functions.

No subsidies, core menu or nonsense, just let everyone sort themselves out.

I'm sure these companies would be able to run it at a profit.

I'm sure they could but at £3 for a Subway lunch deal and around £10 - £15 for a Wetherspoon's steak dinner I think people would soon find reason to complain.

 

[Climebear]

We were discussing messing at work last night and came up with a solution. The XL bar, shop and messes as well as any other places to eat on camp should be replaced, Weatherspoons could take over the bars and serve evening meals (after a fashion), Tesco express should take over all the Spars and add a Subway and a McDonalds for lunch/snacks, breakfast to be taken in your block/room for cereal/toast or McDonalds for cooked. Keeping the Officers and SNCO Messes for accommodation and functions.

No subsidies, core menu or nonsense, just let everyone sort themselves out.

I'm sure these companies would be able to run it at a profit.

We looked at the 'Tesco Express' option some time ago. The only problem was that a typical RAF station does not have sufficient numbers of people that Tesco Express would be interested in. Most of these type of companies base there calculations for a stores viability on the number of potential customers. A typical RAF station doesn't come close.

 

[Scouser812]

We were discussing messing at work last night and came up with a solution. The XL bar, shop and messes as well as any other places to eat on camp should be replaced, Weatherspoons could take over the bars and serve evening meals (after a fashion), Tesco express should take over all the Spars and add a Subway and a McDonalds for lunch/snacks, breakfast to be taken in your block/room for cereal/toast or McDonalds for cooked. Keeping the Officers and SNCO Messes for accommodation and functions.No subsidies, core menu or nonsense, just let everyone sort themselves out.I'm sure these companies would be able to run it at a profit.

There are "RAF" stations like that...Lakenheath and Mildenhall.

 

[Tyson]

We looked at the 'Tesco Express' option some time ago. The only problem was that a typical RAF station does not have sufficient numbers of people that Tesco Express would be interested in. Most of these type of companies base there calculations for a stores viability on the number of potential customers. A typical RAF station doesn't come close.

I suppose that could be a problem, but how did the Spar think they would manage?

I suppose they could be placed on the edge of camp, just bend the wire around them so Qtrs and locals could use them as well.

As an aside, I think £3 for the Subway lunch is excellent value, compare that to the prices/quality of some of the butties for sale in the Spar. I would gladly pay that everyday rather than my core meal.

 

[Scouser812]

As an aside, I think £3 for the Subway lunch is excellent value, compare that to the prices/quality of some of the butties for sale in the Spar. I would gladly pay that everyday rather than my core meal.

Plus you dont get 2 grains of dust and a droplet of water from subway...theres nothing right with the soggy, condensed, almost out of date butties in the spar that probably only just got put out on the morning you go to get one. At least thats the (perceived) practice on that secret island training base in wales.

 

[sillybilly]

Keeping the Officers and SNCO Messes for accommodation and functions.

No subsidies, core menu or nonsense, just let everyone sort themselves out.

I'm sure these companies would be able to run it at a profit.

Maybe keeping the mess for functions and the antie rooms, eating in one mess would save millions in extra wages/heating/lighting etc. None of this was discussed it would appear; the MOD might have saved money, remember the old system was subsidised.

 

[Climebear]

I suppose that could be a problem, but how did the Spar think they would manage?

I suppose they could be placed on the edge of camp, just bend the wire around them so Qtrs and locals could use them as well.

As an aside, I think £3 for the Subway lunch is excellent value, compare that to the prices/quality of some of the butties for sale in the Spar. I would gladly pay that everyday rather than my core meal.

Spar (or NAAFI before it) didn't cope. That is one of the reasons for inclusion in the CRL contract. Even siting them where SFA residents and locals can use then wouldn't have a sufficient customer base in most instances.

 

[XVR RA RA RA]

I'm sure they could but at £3 for a Subway lunch deal and around £10 - £15 for a Wetherspoon's steak dinner I think people would soon find reason to complain.

I 'third' the comments on how good Subway is compared to PAYD... Buy a baguette from the mess and buy one from Subway and place them next to each other.

By shear coincidence I am actually writing this from a Weatherspoons. They don't have free wi-fi in the mess. Looking at Weatherspoons big menu, I like how you choose the most expensive item for your argument (most expensive is £11.89 for a 14oz Aberdeen Angus rump steak, chips peas, tomato and flat mushroom and a pint of beer. On Tuesdays you can get some steak deal for £6.25)

 

[Soon To Leave]

Maybe keeping the mess for functions and the antie rooms, eating in one mess would save millions in extra wages/heating/lighting etc. None of this was discussed it would appear; the MOD might have saved money, remember the old system was subsidised.

Following that line of thinking, why not get rid of SLA and MQs and let people sort themselves out as these are also subsidised?

 

[tommo9999]

Following that line of thinking, why not get rid of SLA and MQs and let people sort themselves out as these are also subsidised?

Be careful what you jest about - the NEM is likely to introduce 3 blocks of Service (8-10 years, 10 years and then to Age 60). Only during the first block would pers be entitled to heavily subsidised housing - an increased LSAP would be provided for block 2 pers to get on the property ladder. Things are changing whether we like it or not folks.........