The breakdown of Law and Order.

[Vushtrri]

Not a new thing. As with many of the tory scorched earth policies, it's been allowed to build for years, and left to labour to sort out.

Here's another fine mess the tories have left for us

And we wonder why Politics in this country is such a mess. Nothing but continuous ‘They did this, they did that and bitching in order to point score when in fact they are as bad as each other….which eventually ends up with the incumbent party being voted out and the new Govt and supporters complaining about the crock of shite they’ve been left with. A few years down the line, the Tories and their supporters on here will be complaining about the crock of shite you and Labour have left for them
Tell me that’s not going to happen..

 

[Deltaitem]

I'm sure it will. This year, people were still saying that the tories weren't doing as well because they hadn't rectified labour's supposed failings during to credit crunch global financial crisis, like, a decade and a half ago. At this stage of the game, after just a month in, it's unrealistic to have expected any new government to turn everything around. Only time will tell what state we'll be in come 2028/9. The tories will absolutely vilify labour's record at that point, because whatever they'll have done, it will have had a leftward slant, so the tories will never agree with their policies. If our cup is half full, labour will point to their record positively, and if not, they'll say they're still clearing up the tories' mess.
The differences I've seen so far though, are a scrapping of Johnson's idiotic Rwanda plan, cutting back on the winter fuel payments, drawing a line under (most of) the NHS pay dispute. A definite change in approach, and time will tell if it works.
But even if things don't go as rosy as even labour HQ might hope for in a few years time, the memory of the tories' car crash in power since 2016 will be fresh in peoples' memory for a long time, there hasn't been a 'single term' government in power since Ted Heath in 70-75, followed by Wilson/Callaghan in 74-79 (I think). Certainly since Thatcher there have been multiple runs in power for both main parties.
I'd say we've got labour for at least two terms, and from my perspective, happy with that.

 

[busby1971]

Never watched GB News and unlikely to do so, but then again I dont really put any news channel on unless its the only one available in the hotel, and Bloomberg is my default.

I think you’re missing the point, that this group is and will be found to be just like the last lot, I’m guessing you voted for them so are championing them, that’s understandable, just understand that other people, and they are in the majority, might have a different point of view.

 

[Cat Techie]

While I applaud the Police for their swift actions and the courts for finding time in their very busy, overcrowded schedules to put these people in the dock I am also very wary about how the PM has shouted and they jumped.

The police and courts answer to the crown, not the politicos. Are we on the way to a police state?

No.

 

[Talk Wrench]

It also means the ones who propped up the immature, lying, selfish, petulant, back-stabbing psycho-drama tories resort to thinking up "funny" names for said Grown-ups.

Yet you feel the need to shout "Gammon" at every opportunity whatever that's supposed to mean.

You also had no problems making names up in this post...

Post in thread 'Should Boris resign?' https://www.egoat.net/threads/should-boris-resign.1012057/post-1027918


I've always said and maintain that I've always respected your viewpoints even if I don't agree with them, but don't be hypocritical when others display the same behaviours as yourself when deriding the incumbent crop of politicians.

 

[Deltaitem]

Yet you feel the need to shout "Gammon" at every opportunity whatever that's supposed to mean.

On this, Wiki-schmiki have pretty much nailed it
The meaning of 'gammon,' if not life

 

[Talk Wrench]

On this, Wiki-schmiki have pretty much nailed it
The meaning of 'gammon,' if not life

Rather the point DI, if someone chucks names and labels around, don't complain if names and labels come your way.

Then again , sticks and stones....and mind out if you throw bricks at glass houses.

 

[Cat Techie]

On this, Wiki-schmiki have pretty much nailed it
The meaning of 'gammon,' if not life

Face like roast ham joint.

 

[Talk Wrench]

I'm not sure what to think of this story.

One train of thought says, well done plod, the other train of thought says that a dangerous precedent is set. Whilst this guy was obviously being a prat, is a jail sentence really appropriate? Furthermore, what happens to someone who innocently shares disinformation?

Derby TikToker jailed over hoax riot claims

Dimitrie Stoica told his viewers he was being chased down a street and feared for his life.

www.bbc.com

 

[Oldstacker]

Two minds here as well..
He deliberately made up a story that was likely to be inflammatory so definitely deserved a trip to the court. Three months in the nick seems a bit steep though, especially given the highly publicised need to release early people with longer sentences for more serious offences.

As for innocently sharing misinformation or disinformation, my advice to social media users is don't share anything that you are not 100% certain of - content and source.

 

[Cat Techie]

Two minds here as well..
He deliberately made up a story that was likely to be inflammatory so definitely deserved a trip to the court. Three months in the nick seems a bit steep though, especially given the highly publicised need to release early people with longer sentences for more serious offences.

As for innocently sharing misinformation or disinformation, my advice to social media users is don't share anything that you are not 100% certain of - content and source.

You publish anything on line is publishing. If it breaks the law, expect punishment. Shame the newspapers cannot be fast tracked.

 

[busby1971]

You would have thought some people would no better

Call for Labour to suspend Norwich South MP Clive Lewis over post

An antisemitism group is calling for the suspension of an MP after comments he made on social media.

www.bbc.com

 

[Talk Wrench]

You would have thought some people would no better

Call for Labour to suspend Norwich South MP Clive Lewis over post

An antisemitism group is calling for the suspension of an MP after comments he made on social media.

www.bbc.com

Perhaps the grown ups are allowed to say what they want?

 

[Talk Wrench]

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Face like roast ham joint.

It is somewhat paradoxical. In a thread where those who steer to the political left are prepared to chastise folk about "name calling", appear to revel and be self congratulating when it comes to "name calling".

@Cat Techie

I can only presume that you've got gammon steaks superglued over your eyes. It's the only explanation of why you must run around daily banging into things shouting "Gammon, gammon, gammon, gammon, gammon, gammon, gammon"

 

[muttywhitedog]

Criticising the Israeli state is not anti-semitic, just as criticising the Iranian state is not Islamaphobic.

I think Israel's occupation and building on the West Bank is wrong, should cease and they should hand the land back to the Palestinians and get out.

 

[Tin basher]

Good News. This thread and it content would not be tolerated in Putin’s Russia or North Korea or Iran or Saudi Arabia or any places where even a hint of outpourings against the system are quickly stamped on. It’s a testament to our democracy that, if we stay within the law, we can post our differing views without fear or favour on here. There are those that disagree with the people’s decision to leave the EU 8 years ago, yet others are happy with that, there are those cheering the arrival of a Labour Government whilst others regret the passing of a Conservative one. Free speech and democracy are alive and well on the Goat long may it continue. However, one decision I must make later today, at teatime is it to be chips and gammon with a side order of relish or sausage, chips and mushy peas.

 

[Talk Wrench]

Criticising the Israeli state is not anti-semitic, just as criticising the Iranian state is not Islamaphobic.

You're right, but supporting the terrorist group Hamas, marching and parading around the streets of Britain shouting anti-Semitic chants, IS anti-semitic and it's been tolerated by the police and supported by left leaning organisations.

Another paradox right there. These leftist entities profess to be against "Hate speech" but are quite willing to dish it out at any opportunity. Free speech is exactly that but it cannot be allowed to become free speech in only one direction.

Correlation is not causation but maybe if the police had banned the Pro Hamas marches, the numb nuts on the Far right may not have been emboldened to kick off and destroy our towns and cities.

 

[Deltaitem]

Good News. This thread and it content would not be tolerated in Putin’s Russia or North Korea or Iran or Saudi Arabia or any places where even a hint of outpourings against the system are quickly stamped on. It’s a testament to our democracy that, if we stay within the law, we can post our differing views without fear or favour on here. There are those that disagree with the people’s decision to leave the EU 8 years ago, yet others are happy with that, there are those cheering the arrival of a Labour Government whilst others regret the passing of a Conservative one. Free speech and democracy are alive and well on the Goat long may it continue. However, one decision I must make later today, at teatime is it to be chips and gammon with a side order of relish or sausage, chips and mushy peas.

I think you should consider plant based and vegan options.

 

[Cat Techie]

Perhaps the grown ups are allowed to say what they want?

Clive Lewis always puts his foot in it.

 

[Talk Wrench]

Clive Lewis always puts his foot in it.

Something I'm happy to say we can both agree on