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Times Report - Cut to the Bone?

Back in 1979, while on guard duty at Pitreavie Castle, the F/Sgt duty NCO came into the guard hut and said,

'Ok kid, it you and me against the world! and, we attack at Dawn', looks like he may have been something of a prophet!
 
Why wasn't I surprised when I read the journo's report? - because 20 years ago whilst I was doing a tour at the Huntingdon Happy Eater, there was a paper doing the rounds with exactly these proposals. There was a lot of huffing and puffing in an "it'll never happen" sort of way, but the writing was on the wall. The Berlin Wall had been breached and the enemy - aka The Treasury - was demanding the peace dividend.

What sort of proposals affecting the Royal Navy or the Army were doing the rounds at the same time I don't know, but I'm pretty sure the RAF paper wasn't on its own.

What I find worrying, apart from being saddened by what is happening to my former service, is the ever-increasing weakening of the defence of this country by the reduction of the capabilities and resources of all three Services. It appears to me that we are being stripped and weakened, by subscribers of a particular political ideology, to the point whereby we have to rely on other countries for our defence or we roll-over at the very first hint of a threat. I don't think any useful purpose is being served at the moment by any one service slagging off the other two, despite shouts of glee from certain areas of our khaki-clad brethren. I think the point has been reached where all the services should be shouting with one voice "No more cuts".

Comrade Brown has already signalled a further step in achieving one of Liarbours long-standing goals - that of nuclear disarmament - through his recent announcement on the replacement of the current deterrent. How much longer before we reach the point where the only umbrella we have is the one that keeps the rain off our heads?
It's all part of the plan for the so called Euro super Army or what the hell they are calling it this week:PDT_Xtremez_32:
 
Acording to the express the raf are gonna buy 20 more chinooks ......we have to find the monney for the aircraft,crews and engineers somewhere
 
According to that great press tome - The Eastern Daily Press - Marham is slated in to be closed as part of this latest round of twot-based thinking.

Just what do these numpties think they are doing?

My daughter asked me the other day, what did you do in the RAF Dad? After a brief think, and compared to what you guys are doing now, I would have to answer, 'Fcuk all Sweetie!'.
Ok, I did get stuck in a bit in GW1, but considering I joined up after the Falklands and left shortly after GW1, my trips to Red Flag, 4 yrs in Germany and sundry other jollies here and there, made my time a doddle. I know I was a Cold War Warrior, but Bruggen in 86 - 90 was a complete blast, depsite constant TACEVALS etc.

To instigate a 25% reduction, and I appreciate that this may be a gutter press worst case headline, so may be somewhat less than that, at a time where OOA is now a matter of course and not an unsual event like it was back in the day, is appaling.

To reiterate what others have said in this thread, is this an underlying plan to integrate what is left of the service into either a UK Combined Force - run by the Army (fcuk noooooo!) or itso some form of Pan-Euro force, run by the Boxheads, unionised by the Cloggies and commanded by the Frogs, with an allegance to President Blair?????

Thoughts?
 
Care to expand then?


From a few posts ago but thought I'd answer the Lyneham/Brize question.

Lyneham personell are currently being briefed on Future Brize and what is/isn't going to happen.

Everyone in Quarters at Lyneham will move to Brize or Faringdon and not stay in Lyneham Quarters prior to being expected to start working full-time from Brize- so there will be no need to get bused to Brize from Lyneham as you won't be living there - unless you are going to be housed in Faringdon!

There is no stay of execution for Lyneham - it will close Dec 2012!

Any one want any more Gen - there's still half a dozen or so more briefs taking place at Lyneham - go along and ask them on high direct - they are only too keen to squash all rumours!
 
Acording to the express the raf are gonna buy 20 more chinooks ......we have to find the monney for the aircraft,crews and engineers somewhere


Merlin to CHF and 28/78 Sqns, Crews and Engineers re-role to Chinook, the purchase of the airframes is paid for out of the replacement Seaking budget.
 
I've stopped giving a toss what they plan to cut anymore as I barely identify with the organisation in its present form...I honestly don't think they could get it any more wrong than they have...We exist in an air force that is spurred on by a cadre of officers who are on a career plan that if deviated from in time or pointed geography will mean they progress no further...This means that the 'force' as a whole no longer matters to these driven people who only care about getting the tick in the box for their particular post at that time no matter what the cost is to us as a whole...The higher these people get up the ladder the bigger the stakes become with respect to what is achieved in progress for the good of all of us...The workers (us mostly) are trampled in the melee of single-minded bloody self-serving ideas that these days rarely benefit any of us but get an SO3/2/1 noticed so he/she can progress...Being good at their job is irrelevant...being good with people is seemingly irrelevant...any of it making sense is irrelevant...

So now we are facing inevitable cuts and the shape of the RAF makes cutting these people who have created these upside down pyramids difficult as they have access to meetings that direct policy and suicide in a career sense isn't in their blood...They'll see anything go before themselves...life can't go on without excessive layers of administration and 'leadership' accordinging to them...

I wish with all my heart that they decide to get rid of people via redundancy...if you want I'll go tomorrow!
 
I've stopped giving a toss what they plan to cut anymore as I barely identify with the organisation in its present form...I honestly don't think they could get it any more wrong than they have...We exist in an air force that is spurred on by a cadre of officers who are on a career plan that if deviated from in time or pointed geography will mean they progress no further...This means that the 'force' as a whole no longer matters to these driven people who only care about getting the tick in the box for their particular post at that time no matter what the cost is to us as a whole...The higher these people get up the ladder the bigger the stakes become with respect to what is achieved in progress for the good of all of us...The workers (us mostly) are trampled in the melee of single-minded bloody self-serving ideas that these days rarely benefit any of us but get an SO3/2/1 noticed so he/she can progress...Being good at their job is irrelevant...being good with people is seemingly irrelevant...any of it making sense is irrelevant...

So now we are facing inevitable cuts and the shape of the RAF makes cutting these people who have created these upside down pyramids difficult as they have access to meetings that direct policy and suicide in a career sense isn't in their blood...They'll see anything go before themselves...life can't go on without excessive layers of administration and 'leadership' accordinging to them...

I wish with all my heart that they decide to get rid of people via redundancy...if you want I'll go tomorrow!

If you feel that bad mate haven't you considered a PVR? Or does it not make financial sense to do that?

It's so sad what has happened to the RAF, Trenchard must be spinning in his grave.
 
If you feel that bad mate haven't you considered a PVR? Or does it not make financial sense to do that?

It's so sad what has happened to the RAF, Trenchard must be spinning in his grave.

Vim wouldn't get a big fat tasty redundancy payout with a PVR MP.
 
I wish with all my heart that they decide to get rid of people via redundancy...if you want I'll go tomorrow!

Vim wouldn't get a big fat tasty redundancy payout with a PVR MP.

Trouble with that is that the redundancy terms for members of the Armed Forces have changed dramatically. The redundancy gravy train is over, have a look at the associated DIN.

IMO there is still a little bit of old rope to be had at this factory yet and for what it's worth I think these drastic cuts were only one of a number of options for PR10 and the likelyhood will be somewhat less extreme.
 
Vim has got it 100% bang on , ive wanted to say something like that for ages but I just never get the words out to make any sense.

I have been hoping for change and it just does not seem to happen, I start my 20 year next month and I like many have seen the largest ever change to the RAF in my career and its just frustrating nothing seems to get done as its being led by chimps who dont give a fcuk except there own bloody ego. Why does nobody listen WHY !!!!

Anyway it just seems now let them self destruct the RAF , I have given up caring and giving a **** like many. Angry is an understatement but I still cling to hope that things might change for good.

Ranty over :PDT_Xtremez_32:
 
If you feel that bad mate haven't you considered a PVR? Or does it not make financial sense to do that?

It's so sad what has happened to the RAF, Trenchard must be spinning in his grave.

Considered, decided and factored into the Fuego 'not going to make me a millionaire but will make me feel better about what I do day to day' business plan...

As Coheed rightly says though...If there is a sniff of a redundancy in the air then I'll go on that no matter how much it has reduced with the new DIN...10K on top of my payout is better in my pocket with the same end result of me not being in if that is what I was after anyway but timing is everything...They'll save plenty of money by offering it to me...24 years in...aircrew on top level flying pay signed onto 55...give me a tidy cheque and I'll be out of their hair...
 
A lot of these cuts seen to have been in one pipeline or another for sometime now. It seems to me likes someone has just assembled them on one piece of paper as though it is set in stone. If the one's sat in the big comfy chairs can instill some amount of panic and peeps start jumping ship before they are pushed.......................oh look! We don't need any redundancies now.

The airships are trying to make the reductions before it is forced on them, which I personally believe is wrong, and they may be over reacting. There's something new! :PDT_Xtremez_14:
You can bet your last penny that they will be clinging to their desks, and not jumping ship.

Just my 2p's worth.
 
How many of these cuts actuall will affect Airmen

Isn't Linton Valley and the tattie tons(at Leeming) servicing caried out by civvies?

I hear on Radio York that the unions are all over it to block the closures and have filed a formal letter of complaint to the MOD about this

Why not close Dishforth and move the AAC to Leeming?
Do we need Wittering and Cottesmore so close to each other? could one go?
 
How many of these cuts actuall will affect Airmen

Isn't Linton Valley and the tattie tons(at Leeming) servicing caried out by civvies?

I hear on Radio York that the unions are all over it to block the closures and have filed a formal letter of complaint to the MOD about this

Why not close Dishforth and move the AAC to Leeming?
Do we need Wittering and Cottesmore so close to each other? could one go?

Wittering won't close, they can't move 20 Squadron to Cottesmore, there isn't the infrastructure (this was mooted two years ago), plus Wittering is now the A4 logistics hub, with 20 Sqn as a lodger unit (the Staish/SWO is a Supplier).

Don't know about Dishforth, they could move it to Wattishambles if they had room I suppose.
 
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