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Trade Group 1 Pay Rise

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Doneit said:
I'm happy to be corrected, but I was of the understanding that the Cpls(and above?) are on the Higher pay band???
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Yes but they are on about an increase in pay for "Techie" trades (TG1/2) and if this happens I'm guessing the egg flippers will want it as well as they are now on par....apparently (NEVER)

Crack on..................:PDT_Xtremez_09:

P.S. Just my interpretation....being a civvy and all that :PDT_Xtremez_14:
 
I see. Very true statement.

This is in no-way a trade bash and is only a thought... but the AFPRB could say that they received the extra money for a certain reasons and the first increase satisfied that requirement and they couldn't justify another increase...

IMO, though, we'll have to wait to see if they do bring in a pay increase at all and what trades would be moved on to it in the first place??
 
Tashy_Man said:
Yes but they are on about an increase in pay for "Techie" trades (TG1/2) and if this happens I'm guessing the egg flippers will want it as well as they are now on par....apparently (NEVER)

Crack on..................:PDT_Xtremez_09:

P.S. Just my interpretation....being a civvy and all that :PDT_Xtremez_14:
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Sorry to point out yet again but I and many others spent 22 months in trade training (Some more) to get to the rank of Jnr Tech in TG3 as was, now TG4 (10 months basic then 12 on fitters course) there are Techie trades other than 1 and 2 you know.
 
4everAD said:
Sorry to point out yet again but I and many others spent 22 months in trade training (Some more) to get to the rank of Jnr Tech in TG3 as was, now TG4 (10 months basic then 12 on fitters course) there are Techie trades other than 1 and 2 you know.
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No way:PDT_Xtremez_28:
 
4everAD said:
Sorry to point out yet again but I and many others spent 22 months in trade training (Some more) to get to the rank of Jnr Tech in TG3 as was, now TG4 (10 months basic then 12 on fitters course) there are Techie trades other than 1 and 2 you know.
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Yeah, yeah we know but choose to ignore them as they are not "the" techie trades.....come on get with the program !!! Just accept facts you joined an inferior trade....get over it !!!

Crack on.......................:PDT_Xtremez_09:
 
4everAD said:
Looking at the state of TG4 at the moment I really can't argue with that point.:PDT_Xtremez_15:
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Thank fcuk for that because I hate restating over and over that aircraft techie trades are the best ever.......am glad you realise that now.

Crack on.....................:PDT_Xtremez_09:
 
Its going to be a long time before they bring in the single pay spine so techies earn more than others (maybe). Its virging on the impossible on what JPA can do and the cost might make it prohibitive. Currently there is no higher pay spine than the high pay band without a specially constructed pay spine being built (like the professional aviator spine). If they do build a new higher pay spine, it will be the trades that have the biggest manning deficits that will probably go onto it so egg flippers may actually be paid more than techies one day, that'll be popular.
 
They better crack on with it as more and more of us are fed up to the back teeth and are slowly reaching for that button on JPA. I signed on for 30 a few years back but at the moment I can not see me doing past 22. I am sick of trying to do the impossible with an every reducing manpower and even less spares. I could throw the towel in and go work at luton for double my wage.
 
It's been a long time since I decided to look on here and I see the same arguments being constantly made. I decided to just breeze over a couple of pages on this thread and from being a thread on a pay rise for techies, it started to go down the trade bashing route, as it always seems to end up going. Like Tashy Man I have been out for almost a year now and I can't understand how there are so many people here, that are so fed up with the staus quo and still have not decided to get out. I quit knowing I was not going to get a great pension deal when I left, however I took a pay jump from A JT's wage straight to that of a SNCO when I started for my new job. I know that i can put alot of my money aside for a private pension, which i am doing. If there are folks here that are really fed up with way Techies are being treated, take the plunge and head for the door. There are still plenty of Aviation jobs out there, even in this current economic climate. I am working in an organisation which is still not fully manned. At the moment we have more Aircraft techies coming from the Navy and Army at the moment and hardly any RAF boys. When I speak to them about how things are going, they are saying that everyone is heading for the door and many of them are giving the two fingerd salute to further service for a higher pension. One lad said," I would rather have a life than to have been constantly shafted". Says it all really.
 
Captain Gatso said:
It's been a long time since I decided to look on here and I see the same arguments being constantly made. I decided to just breeze over a couple of pages on this thread and from being a thread on a pay rise for techies, it started to go down the trade bashing route, as it always seems to end up going. Like Tashy Man I have been out for almost a year now and I can't understand how there are so many people here, that are so fed up with the staus quo and still have not decided to get out. I quit knowing I was not going to get a great pension deal when I left, however I took a pay jump from A JT's wage straight to that of a SNCO when I started for my new job. I know that i can put alot of my money aside for a private pension, which i am doing. If there are folks here that are really fed up with way Techies are being treated, take the plunge and head for the door. There are still plenty of Aviation jobs out there, even in this current economic climate. I am working in an organisation which is still not fully manned. At the moment we have more Aircraft techies coming from the Navy and Army at the moment and hardly any RAF boys. When I speak to them about how things are going, they are saying that everyone is heading for the door and many of them are giving the two fingerd salute to further service for a higher pension. One lad said," I would rather have a life than to have been constantly shafted". Says it all really.
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Absolute nail on the head time there ‘Captain Gatso’, however it all boils down to the question………….”Are techies b0llox as big as their brains?” The old joke about the size of their wallet doesn’t work any more!

I fear not and the thought of big bad civvy street scares the sh1t out of most of them. Don’t get me wrong, I was one of the many with peanut sizes gonads for too many years and if it wasn’t for my recent injection of ‘Bottox’ into said knacker sack I would still be one of them. But as you said, if we ever want the TG1 guys to be treated like the gold dust they are, then there will have to be many more voting with their feet.

Just happy I can do my bit to strengthen the case for techie retention requirements! And the point this thread raises - a pay rise!
 
Unfortunately a shortage of techies is not the closest crocodile nearest the canoe, therefore it will not be even seriously considered until it is. Gunners and Firefighters are getting the FRIs and other trades are getting the move to higher bands (shineys/nurses) because they have such retention problems. It may not be logical but until there is a shortage of techies and recruitment is not able to make up for the shortfall then nothing will be done. When the single pay spine comes in (if) then as I said those trades in deficit the most will have the best case for FRIs and higher pay.
 
tag_lincoln said:
Its going to be a long time before they bring in the single pay spine so techies earn more than others (maybe). Its virging on the impossible on what JPA can do and the cost might make it prohibitive. Currently there is no higher pay spine than the high pay band without a specially constructed pay spine being built (like the professional aviator spine). If they do build a new higher pay spine, it will be the trades that have the biggest manning deficits that will probably go onto it so egg flippers may actually be paid more than techies one day, that'll be popular.
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According to this AVM big wig, JPA won't have another pay band...too expensive to sort. Instead those non-technical trades would stay on the increments there are now but capped at a certain level (rank dependant). Tech trades would still be on the same but un-capped to continue up the incement ladder. So "egg-flippers" and "Taxi hire-car reps" won't go above tech trades when all this smoothes out. This is why he muted about 4 years as this will be how long the "gap" would take to show effect. From when it starts its 4 year development, is anyones guess, but I'm betting on 2010 as Apr 2009 would probably be too soon, especially with Project APOLLO etc!!
 
Bucc Boy said:
Absolute nail on the head time there ‘Captain Gatso’, however it all boils down to the question………….”Are techies b0llox as big as their brains?” The old joke about the size of their wallet doesn’t work any more!

I fear not and the thought of big bad civvy street scares the sh1t out of most of them. Don’t get me wrong, I was one of the many with peanut sizes gonads for too many years and if it wasn’t for my recent injection of ‘Bottox’ into said knacker sack I would still be one of them. But as you said, if we ever want the TG1 guys to be treated like the gold dust they are, then there will have to be many more voting with their feet.

Just happy I can do my bit to strengthen the case for techie retention requirements! And the point this thread raises - a pay rise!
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It has always been the case.

The ones who shout the loudest are (generally) the ones who will not commit themselves to PVRing/leaving. It has always been this way.

Most, even though they bleat, bleat, bleat on here and no doubt in the workplace/T-Bar about how wretched life is in a Blue suit, will not leave, because of the simple fact that life on the inside is still easier (in most respects) than life on the outside...and this frightens the living daylights out of most.

fyi: I PVRd in 95 & never looked back.
 
The truth of the matter is unless you're stupid, you don't PVR on a whim. Those most likely to leave aren't the ones moaning about it in the t-bar, they're the ones who got off the squadron to a bay, so they can go and do day release at a local college. They're the ones who aren't bemoaning the RAF every night in the colonel, cos they're in their rooms cramming for their licences, or some other civvy qual that will serve them when they get out. In truth these are the kind of proactive people the RAF needs to keep, but as always its typically the most forward looking and best equipped to cope in civvy street individuals, who see the writing on the wall for the current regard in which engineers are held in the RAF, and that it ain't gonna change any time soon.
Loyalty is a two way street, and when the organisation removes all the perks and advantages of service life, the ethos will continually be eroded, until its just another job. Is this the point the RAF is at with some of the AMMs joining now? Why should they bother their arses to take all the responsibilities of working on aircraft, arguably with less supervision than there has ever been in the history of the RAF, do 4 months a year in the gulf, then undertake whatever the latest incarnation of the fitters course is, only to finally achieve after 4 years or so, the higher bay band that they should rightfully have been on from day one?
 
Well if this thread is turning into the same old story for many then why read it , you have the option to not click, this subject does make a good debate for the techies and this subject is not going away. If you dont have a thread for it then it will appear elsewhere.

I cant confirm yet but are the new figures out for trade manning , rumour tells me for this year A Tech M is possibly 20% undermanned but I cant confirm
 
Techies are better manned than a lot of trades, thats why they arent getting the FRIs. When the FRIs or golden hellos hit that's when you know that the powers that be are getting worried about manning figures. At the moment techies are just in the mill and they hope that the £15k commitment bonus will keep enough people in.

I would hope that most goaters aren't naive enough to believe some AVM who likes to say popularist sound bites so he can get out the stn theatre without being booed.
 
But surely an increase in pay would potentially keep a few of us in and maybe entice a few more to join up?
 
MrMasher said:
But surely an increase in pay would potentially keep a few of us in and maybe entice a few more to join up?
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I think the job needs sorting out first, mate!
Out of the sandpit, time at home, and sort the manning levels out.

I'm dreaming, aren't I???
 
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