Trade Group 1 Pay Rise

[Bucc Boy]

What a pile of pish, we all know that everyone gets uber wages nowadays, What? No they don’t? What do you mean it’s different on the outside?

I’m out soon, already been offered an interview as a sub sea engineer, why? Well, ‘cos of my experience and skills gained in the RAF . I am voting with my feet and no, I don’t think it will make any difference, but if they don’t care for me, why should I return it!
I have many skills to offer, all learnt from the mob, if they see fit to de-value (and yes that is what they are doing!) my trade then sod ‘em , I’m off, and believe me the future is not in ac, but maybe in different areas of engineering, now that is a skill that is still recognised elsewhere!
Before anyone starts posting links to admin jobs (or what ever) stating £xxxxx a year, try getting those jobs.
I’ve had a belly full, time to go, just don’t get your hopes up and think it will continue ever after.
A pay rise for the sake of retention, that is one hell weird way of going about it!

I will bet I am out sooner than you mate. I agree with all that you have said and more. However I can only assume you either didn't read my post before you called it a pile of pish.......or you didn't fcuking understand it. Come on fellow techie, read and inwardly digest FFS.

 

[True Blue Jack]

So with audits at 5% of submisions, that totals 4400 claims.... Not bad for a vegas det, who is going half the RAF ?

In MWD's defence, ROPE forms used on dets to Vegas (among other places) must be audited 100% because when the account is finalised and despatched to HW the records can be called for by the National Audit Office any time in the next 6 years. They don't do 5% checks.

The DAO's job is a tough one with long, often unsociable, hours (believe me, I've been the one on the phone to the UK at 2 a.m. when the techies and aircrew are all happily blowing their IE in the Golden Nugget!!). Nobody dies if the DAO's job isn't done properly but the success or not of a Sqn detachment can depend on it as much as on aircraft serviceability.

 

[spanners]

BB, that 1st line was written with tongue firmly in cheek and with what I thought was sarcasm!
Also with lots of Steongbow and port!DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[Sospan]

In MWD's defence, ROPE forms used on dets to Vegas (among other places) must be audited 100% because when the account is finalised and despatched to HW the records can be called for by the National Audit Office any time in the next 6 years. They don't do 5% checks.

That excepted can you once again leap to his defence and confirm that it takes at least 1 hour to process 3 of of these forms? Or his he squirting poo out of his food entry hole ?

 

[muttywhitedog]

And why are you being a cnut and auditing 100% of expense submissions I was under the impression that only 5-20% were audited so that means either you're looking to catch someone out so you can go "Oooh Ooh OCA I caught SAC stacker claiming for a bottle of water and he rounded it up from 99c to a dollar" or the det is for 2200 people approx.

Damn, you caught me out, unnecessarily auditing 95% of all the expense sheets so that I can justify my rock star wage. Nob!

I suggest you re-check the rules regarding receiving money from an imprest on an overseas exercise. Here's a hint - I do all the work out there so that people dont have to fund themselves for 3 weeks then claim it back on JPA. Believe me, it would be a damn sight easier if I just let people do that, because then I would only have to audit 5%.

However, as a box-changing desert dodger in some backwater 2nd line civvy run establishment, how would you know what's going on in the real world?

It was a straight choice - 100% audit and money for my teccies in the USA, or 5% audit and they could sort themselves out. Because I actually value and get on with my teccies, I took the former.

Strange you never answered my question about the pay value of the armourer who spends all his career in stn armouries rather than fixing aircraft.

 

[MingMong]

In MWD's defence, ROPE forms used on dets to Vegas (among other places) must be audited 100% because when the account is finalised and despatched to HW the records can be called for by the National Audit Office any time in the next 6 years. They don't do 5% checks.

The DAO's job is a tough one with long, often unsociable, hours (believe me, I've been the one on the phone to the UK at 2 a.m. when the techies and aircrew are all happily blowing their IE in the Golden Nugget!!). Nobody dies if the DAO's job isn't done properly but the success or not of a Sqn detachment can depend on it as much as on aircraft serviceability.

Now that line really made me laugh!
Please don't mistake your delusions of grandeur with the importance of the Royal AIR Force remaining in the air!

 

[Trembling Scumbag]

Why question the value of the armourer?? Hes in TG1 too. And no ones slagging guys who work in radar, air elect, hyd, tank, engine or any of the other bays TG1 guys work in. So why question a member of TG1 who works in a small arms bay???

 

[Sospan]

Now that line really made me laugh!
Please don't mistake your delusions of grandeur with the importance of the Royal AIR Force remaining in the air!

Perhaps we should rename it Royal HR Force!

 

[Trembling Scumbag]

Royal HR Farce???DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[rest have risen above me]

Damn, you caught me out, unnecessarily auditing 95% of all the expense sheets so that I can justify my rock star wage. Nob!
I suggest you re-check the rules regarding receiving money from an imprest on an overseas exercise. Here's a hint - I do all the work out there so that people dont have to fund themselves for 3 weeks then claim it back on JPA. Believe me, it would be a damn sight easier if I just let people do that, because then I would only have to audit 5%.

However, as a box-changing desert dodger in some backwater 2nd line civvy run establishment, how would you know what's going on in the real world?
It was a straight choice - 100% audit and money for my teccies in the USA, or 5% audit and they could sort themselves out. Because I actually value and get on with my teccies, I took the former.

Strange you never answered my question about the pay value of the armourer who spends all his career in stn armouries rather than fixing aircraft.

Right you argumentative little clerk. You failed to read the post in its entirity you also fail to read a profile to check whether your insults are valid. I now understand that you also have no sense of humour.
I've lost count of the number of dets I've been on with no Scribbly support and they've all gone fine. When I need support I've a phone that I can use and when I plan a det a scribbly is a luxury.

Armourers who spend their career in bays are rare but shinies who stay in SHQ aren't.

 

[True Blue Jack]

Now that line really made me laugh!
Please don't mistake your delusions of grandeur with the importance of the Royal AIR Force remaining in the air!

OK, OK, I'll settle for "nearly as much as on aircraft serviceability." DT_Xtremez_42:

Nobody here is trying to undermine the importance of your job but we lesser mortals have our uses too. Argue for higher pay by all means - you won't be lacking support - but please don't try to do it on the back of needing to be paid more than shineys and doorslammers.

 

[vim_fuego]

In MWD's defence, ROPE forms used on dets to Vegas (among other places) must be audited 100% because when the account is finalised and despatched to HW the records can be called for by the National Audit Office any time in the next 6 years. They don't do 5% checks.

The DAO's job is a tough one with long, often unsociable, hours (believe me, I've been the one on the phone to the UK at 2 a.m. when the techies and aircrew are all happily blowing their IE in the Golden Nugget!!). Nobody dies if the DAO's job isn't done properly but the success or not of a Sqn detachment can depend on it as much as on aircraft serviceability.

This is my pet hate...Another made up job...

I can only speak for mutli engine crew detachments but give the imprest back to the Co-pilot or willing crewmen who then issues us and the groundies the cash we need for a period at our descretion...We still collect all the receipts to justify our expenditure and hand them over if they require on our return to homeplate...

We save the airfare (from experience the DAO flies out civair on the ADVON), the rates he would require, the accom he would require and the car he nearly always needs...

Before JPA we dealt with all this ourselves...the only difference now is that we have to fish receipts out of the bins (joke) to prove it...But the expense of having a DAO has to cancel out any savings that JPA promised to deliver...

 

[Sospan]

OK, OK, I'll settle for "nearly as much as on aircraft serviceability." DT_Xtremez_42:

Nobody here is trying to undermine the importance of your job but we lesser mortals have our uses too. Argue for higher pay by all means - you won't be lacking support - but please don't try to do it on the back of needing to be paid more than shineys and doorslammers.

Unfortunately the most effective way of communicating the importance of our job is to compare it with other trades on the same payband.

This is how the RAF describes them....

Drivers drive, operate and administer the RAF’s fleet of ground vehicles. This ranges from light motor vehicles to minibuses, large goods vehicles, passenger carrying vehicles and specialist airfield support equipment such as refuellers, aircraft tugs and mobile cranes. These vehicles play an important role in the effectiveness of the RAF, ensuring that people and equipment are available in the right place, at the right time. As a Driver, you’ll often operate on your own, away from your unit, so you’ll need initiative and self-reliance.

Personnel Administrators play a vital role in ensuring that the RAF runs smoothly and efficiently. As a Personnel Administrator, you will provide full administrative and personnel support to RAF personnel, wherever the location.

Aircraft Technicians (Mechanical) are responsible for the complete range of mechanical components and structure of the aircraft including the engines, gearboxes, flying controls, landing gear, hydraulics, air conditioning, anti-icing and fuel systems. You could examine, test and repair engines and propulsion equipment on everything from fast jets to multi-engined aircraft and helicopters.

Now forgive me if I am wrong but I cannot for the life of me see any other union or organisation allowing comparative pay for the above job descriptions.

I will apologies in advance if my analogy of comparing trades offends anybody!

 

[Trembling Scumbag]

Off Topic To be fair, pre JPA we used to take an adminer out with us, but all he had to do was dish out the rates, From what I can see, its JPA that makes a DAO's job harder. That doesnt mean im sympathetic to them, JPA has made everyones jobs a bit harder, and weve all got to deal with it. By the same token, If you just gave the lads their money before the det and told them to look after themselves, I reckon theyd get by!!! So JPA is in effect the reason theyre on the Det in the first place, so how can they complain about it??

 

[busby1971]

Spirit of good will

Spirit of good will

How come every pay thread eventually becomes a Clk Bashing Thread.

Most TG 17 personnel on here seem to think that you (TG 1) do deserve to be paid more, it is the RAFs loss that you are leaving in droves, all that experience draining away.

Stop bashing us lazy, self important pri1cks of TG 17 and find a way of getting more dosh another way, because slagging of people who (sometimes) try to help you out won't get it you.

Move on

 

[Sospan]

How come every pay thread eventually becomes a Clk Bashing Thread.

Most TG 17 personnel on here seem to think that you (TG 1) do deserve to be paid more, it is the RAFs loss that you are leaving in droves, all that experience draining away.

Stop bashing us lazy, self important pri1cks of TG 17 and find a way of getting more dosh another way, because slagging of people who (sometimes) try to help you out won't get it you.

Move on

Who said we were slagging you off!!!

And why should you be helping us out? Shouldnt that be just your job ?

 

[Trembling Scumbag]

TG 17, Good Fishermen???

TG 17, Good Fishermen???

Youre right busby, But what sort of whinging , bitter, cynical techies would we be if we didnt bite at the odd adminer (or other ancillary tradesman) on a fishing trip .DT_Xtremez_07:

 

[busby1971]

Who said we were slagging you off!!!

And why should you be helping us out? Shouldnt that be just your job ?

Read the whole thread it starts to slag off TG 17 around page 14 or 15, I tried to ignore this thread but it kept appearing.

Not any more post-JPA its your own job, the 1000 odd clks that used to do your stuff have left the building.

And TS, just the Techies I have grown to love and totally ignore during my long and distinguished career.

But honestly slagging off me and my peers won't get you a pay rise, chat to your trade sponsor because he's the one who will or will not be able to get you some more dosh. That's the system and that's how it works.

But what kind of, if any, money will keep you all in?

 

[Weebl]

How come every pay thread eventually becomes a Clk Bashing Thread.

Normally because a Clerk comes on the thread and tell us to man up or PVR. I don't begrudge anybody the money but do not dare to tell me I am not allowed to ask for more myself.

Don't worry though, the way the RAF is going it will soon have lots of Clerks on high pay band, lots of AMMs on low pay band, a few fairly new Techies newly promoted from AMM and a few blokes left waiting on the pension.

None of us will be commenting any more then, we will have all fcuked off.

 

[Bucc Boy]

OK, OK, I'll settle for "nearly as much as on aircraft serviceability." DT_Xtremez_42:

Nobody here is trying to undermine the importance of your job but we lesser mortals have our uses too. Argue for higher pay by all means - you won't be lacking support - but please don't try to do it on the back of needing to be paid more than shineys and doorslammers.

As a slight aside I would argue, why not?

If techie C/T wages suddenly went up to those of a SEngO, I feel pretty sure the SEngO would not only feel undermined/undervalued but, Quote "try to do it on the back of needing to be paid more than" etc etc etc.