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British Sailors released from Iran

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Would it be fair to say that the UK is no longer the Superpower that it was and that any little dictatorship now feel they can "have a go" without fear of retribution? Diplomacy is weak and the UN almost useless in this area. When the hostage personnel are released it will be as a "show of goodwill" on the part of Iran, having made their point and most importantly not "lost face".
 
What worries me is that the press keep pointing out the wording of Faye's letters saying on the TV that it looks like she has been told what to write. Of course she has FFS. Just broadcast it on TV while you're at it and tell Iran everything! I'm sure they have satellite TV and world news channels as well as us.
I just hope there hasnt been any form of retribution against her with regards to these letters having not carried out their Iranian objective.
 
I didn't expect much from the UN at this stage, it is essentially a bilateral affair involving just 15 servicemen with both sides providing "proof" that they are in the right. It's not like the genocide in Darfur or the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, but I expected a bit more than we got.

The trouble is that any one of the permanent 5 members of the security council can block any motion even if all the other 14 members vote for it. It is not in Russia's interest to hang Iran out to dry so there we stuck. The only way to make the security council viable is to remove the P5's power of veto. We might go for that, but Russia and the USA never will. Stalemate.
 
Absolutely shocking. Iran is obviously quaking in it's boots after the really strong statement from the UN. Not.
 
I think they have realised that using Faye in the way they have, has done them no favours so they are going to try using the men instead, words fail me in discribing my contempt for them.
 
Bllody typical. Whenever anybody wants britains support, we give it willingly and wholeheartedly. We ask for support from the UN, and all we get is wishy washy words that wouldnt scare a three year old.
the UN statement that was released almost makes it look as if Britain is in the wrong!
Thanks world!
 
Quote form the BBC report of the statement from the marine.

In the latest video, the sailor, (Marine?) says: "We trespassed without permission.

"Since we've been arrested in Iraq our treatment has been very friendly. We have not been harmed at all. They've looked after us really well.

"The food they've been serving us is good and I am grateful that no harm has come to us.

"I would just like to apologise for entering your waters without permission. And that happened back in 2004, and the government promised that it wouldn't happen again. "

If it isn't a BBC mis quote, the Marine has said it all without the Iranians realizing it. Good Man!!
 
Bbc

Bbc

It looks either like a bbc misquote or the BBC are trying to play games as i have just watched the video about 5 times and he says "Iran" which is a shame as it would have been a minor victory.

As usual though the press are having a field day. T0$$ers.:PDT_Xtremez_25:
 
T55 said:
Would it be fair to say that the UK is no longer the Superpower that it was and that any little dictatorship now feel they can "have a go" without fear of retribution? Diplomacy is weak and the UN almost useless in this area. When the hostage personnel are released it will be as a "show of goodwill" on the part of Iran, having made their point and most importantly not "lost face".
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They are laughing at us, thanks to the anti-war brigade they know theres now limited support for any military action. Not saying that a military solution is the way to go, certainly not at this time. But thanks to George Galloway, Tony Benn and Robin Cook etc the Iranians are sitting pretty im sure, safe in the knowledge that half the world dont feel the middle east is their problem.
 
Chuffybum said:
The media are creating a bigger problem by concentrating on the girl (and absolutely no offence meant by that statement). However, the rest of the guys have families too so the press should stop making it worse for all concerned (including her family). The UN have now shown just how pathetic they really are. Our sailors & marines were carrying out their legitimate duties in Iraqi waters under the auspices of the UN mandate so how come their statement is so weak? As for the UK seeking support from the rest of NATO & the EU countries, well.... to be honest, will they be much help if the UN's statement is so pathetic? I doubt it. Over in the States (not that it matters what they think but really it may have helped) Blair is now seen as being incredibly weak and it is obvious to me that the UN now expects the UK to sort out this mess by itself, even although we were operating under their mandate! I seem to be missing something here!!!!!!!
The Iranians will milk this for all it's worth by cocking a snoot to the UK, the UN and particulary the US as well. A country governed by a weak government who kowtows to the Republican Guard and Ayatollahs just cannot be trusted. I just pray that our boys and girls get home safely and soon. G*d knows where this is going to lead. One thing for sure, Blair and so-called New Labour cannot recover from this incident...surely? Maybe I got it all wrong, maybe there are other things going on behind the scenes that we don't know about, maybe I'm unfairly criticising Blair... I really don't know. One thing's for sure, we are rapidly approaching a potentially horrendous situation which may get out of all control - and we may not be able to stop it happening. Like I said earlier, and I think all of us will agree, just let our boys and girl come home safely. When it happens, I wonder how many of them will remain in the RN & Marines after the way they have been perceived to have been treated by the Govt? Lots of food for thought here.
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Well said Chuffybum, we share the same views. Further to that I would add with morale being at an all time low in all the forces, the goverment have a real opportunity to show how much they really value and care for the forces!!...Still they drag their feet. Blair and his goverment should be seen to be putting more pressure on the UN.
 
At last some one is sticking up for the sailors/marines on BBC TV stating that these videos and letters are done under duress and not actually the thoughts and truthful comments of these prisoners. Just as all of us knew anyway.

Iran want the UK and US troops out of iraq is that so they can go back in and take over?
 
That c0ckhead Paul Routledge has spouted another load of sh!te in his column. (Didn't he say that we in the forces should get a grip last week?)

Now he thinks that parents of young kids shouldn't go on det. :PDT_Xtremez_35:

IRAN captive Faye Turney's fate remains in the balance, putting even more strain on husband Adam and her little girl Molly.

I have to wonder what was she doing there, risking not just her own life but the motherhood of an infant child.

Amid the relief that we will feel when she eventually returns, it still has to be asked why we are sending young mothers to a war zone of our own creation. Britain cannot be so short of military personnel that such women should be permitted - nay, encouraged - to go gadding around the world's most dangerous and volatile waterway.

Call me old-fashioned but I think it is wholly wrong to separate a young mother from her child, put a gun in her hands and send her off to the Gulf.

Leading seaman Turney is now being used as a pawn in a war of propaganda with Iran. She was first named by the Ministry of Defence, which allowed television footage of her to be screened.

The Iranians ratcheted up the pressure by parading Faye on TV, wearing an Islamic headscarf, smoking and admitting (presumably under coercion) that her boat crossed into "enemy" territory. Tehran's conduct is outrageous - an insult to all women.

The strain on this young woman must be intolerable. And she should not be under such strain, because she should not have been there in the first place. The person I feel sorry for in this appalling situation is little Molly, the wean that Mrs Turney left behind. A three-year-old understands a lot. Too much, sometimes. I assume she is not allowed to watch TV or see the newspapers and defence propaganda chiefs have despatched a "media shielder" to the family home.

A bit late, if you ask me. The brasshats have already made leading seaman Turney a media celebrity, for their own military and political purposes. And she doesn't even know it yet.

The whole crazy business is a spectacular own goal for the Iranians. Taking hostage a boatload of naval ratings has done Tehran huge diplomatic harm. The ayatollahs deserve the international obloquy now being heaped on their heads.

But the exploitation of Faye by both sides leaves an unpleasant taste in the mouth.

A diplomatic solution to this fiasco must swiftly be found. A solution to the moral issue of mother-and-child relationships in the armed services will take rather longer.
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MetalMonkey said:
That c0ckhead Paul Routledge has spouted another load of sh!te in his column. (Didn't he say that we in the forces should get a grip last week?)

JournoScum said:
Misinformed cr4p by some old fool in some daily rag
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Now he thinks that parents of young kids shouldn't go on det. :PDT_Xtremez_35:
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Doesn't really sit well alongside parts of his last rant, does it?

JournoScum said:
We have a volunteer army. There are no conscripts. These men and women choose to place themselves in the line of conflict.
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Mirror Scumbag

Mirror Scumbag

Britain cannot be so short of military personnel
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Does this Paul Routledge guy have his head up his @r$e or something, surely he must know that we the armed forces are stretched to our limits otherwise we wouldn't be going out of area so much and that as women sign on the dotted line they are aware of what is expected.

Maybe if he had picked a better career he wouldn't be so niave regarding the forces.
 
Where's the border?

Where's the border?

mad_moriarty said:
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As I understand it the maritime border that far out is not agreed - the line on the map was drawn by us (not sure if this report has been overtaken by subsequent events):

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070327/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_where_s_the_border

And there's what you may wish to dismiss as a paranoid nutter's take on it here:

http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/1276/81/


A) The Iran/Iraq maritime boundary shown on the British government map does not exist. It has been drawn up by the British Government. Only Iraq and Iran can agree their bilateral boundary, and they never have done this in the Gulf, only inside the Shatt because there it is the land border too. This published boundary is a fake with no legal force.

B) Accepting the British coordinates for the position of both HMS Cornwall and the incident, both were closer to Iranian land than Iraqi land. Go on, print out the map and measure it. Which underlines the point that the British produced border is not a reliable one.

None of which changes the fact that the Iranians, having made their point, should have handed back the captives immediately. I pray they do so before this thing spirals out of control. But by producing a fake map of the Iran/Iraq boundary, notably unfavourable to Iran, we can only harden the Iranian position.
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My first reaction was to want the government to demand immediate return of all 15 unharmed in 24 hrs, or risk the immediate destruction of Tehran, but in the cold light of day, I'm not Donny Rumsfeld.

It is, just, possible that we were in the wrong place. Just because Iran's a potential enemy doesn't, in itself, make their every utterance wrong.
 
I`m Ron Burgundy? said:
They are laughing at us, thanks to the anti-war brigade they know theres now limited support for any military action. Not saying that a military solution is the way to go, certainly not at this time. But thanks to George Galloway, Tony Benn and Robin Cook etc the Iranians are sitting pretty im sure, safe in the knowledge that half the world dont feel the middle east is their problem.
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If Blair had a pair he would be putting a block on all UK funding to the UN until they denounce Iran. Then he should block all Iranian funds in UK.
 
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