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The raft of anti union laws in the late 80's and early 90's stopped a lot of that, as did the social housing/right to buy policies of the same era.
Labour have no right to jump on the outrage baandwagon over this as they didn't repeal a single item of the anti union legislation, despite promising they would when in opposition. Who'd have thought it, politicians not keeping their promises?!
We could argue that point all day long and never agree however bearing in mind I am to the right of Ghengis Khan you're wrong
DT_Xtremez_14:. My next question. Given there has not been a wholly successful resolution to any dispute through strike action in the last 30 years what (apart from raising awareness) do you think you will achieve by striking?Depends on which side of the fence you sit. UNISON and UNITE threaten to strike over public sector cuts, the FBU threat oh and don't forget Crowe and the on-going TUBE dispute. Interestingly one of my chums is a high profile TU man and privately admits the majority of his work is spent posturing angrily before TU members before commencing sensible, calm and rational negotiations. Two sides to every story.
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I heard on the news yesterday (several times actually) about the 7/7 bombing inquiry and the initial refusal of the LFB crew to go and rescue people until a copper had stood on the line to prove to them it wasnt "live".
Now call me a cynic, but bringing that up about the firemen just as they are about to strike over their busiest weekend of the year smacks of someone in the media trying to make sure that these striking firemen in London are portrayed as striking cowardly firemen.
Personally I think the firemen do a great job when called upon, but I also think they are greasy sh!ts when it comes to striking.
Now call me a cynic, but bringing that up about the firemen just as they are about to strike over their busiest weekend of the year smacks of someone in the media trying to make sure that these striking firemen in London are portrayed as striking cowardly firemen.
Personally I think the firemen do a great job when called upon, but I also think they are greasy sh!ts when it comes to striking.
We could argue that point all day long and never agree however bearing in mind I am to the right of Ghengis Khan you're wrong
I'd like to stop my employers serving the section 188 notice and sacking me.
Ah the press! See the Daily (hate) Mail for the lies they're starting to print. Pages of vitreol, home addresses leaked by the fire brigade press department to slur members who live outside London and commute in, taking London weighting. But no mention of the issue that is the cause of the dispute. Sacking all the operational firefighters in London.
Its not about pay, though the Mail would have you believe otherwise.
You're right, it's not about pay, its about pay and the numerous perks you enjoy over and above the vast majority of ther Public Sector workers. However, I've spent considerable time researching this dispute's history. I did so because of the immense respect I have for your work and to understand your plight. The FBU website is very informative:
71 day shifts, 71 night shifts 4 days off in every 8, 15 resignations from 5600 personnel last year, 26 applicants for each job (40 for each part-time post), over £30K PA. Historic demands for a 39% rise, 16% rise and now this. Assest Fire stations blocked, appliances kept at secret location becuase of fear of sabotage, claims of "bullying and intimidation"( Daily Mail) "solid defence of our members rights" (FBU Gen Sec). You are not being sacked, you are being made an offer of "re-engagement" (FBU).
Previously I was utterly empathetic with your cause. I believe thread contributors posed reasonable questions and received recycled rhetoric (I note identical phraseology on the FBU site) in return. I'm sure you're a very nice firefighter and all round good egg but I fear I smell the whiff of burning martyr and can only hope someone crosses the picket line to put you out.
I'm off to remind myself I'm lucky to have a job (for now), remind Mrs KG that my pay has been frozen for 3 years, and to cancel a couple of bonfire nights - not becuase of a lack of fire cover but because I'm a miserable cnut.
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With 26 applicants for every job, and a whole load of unemployed people to choose from...
I say sack the effing lot of the wastrels. Complete and utter bunch of wasters.DT_Xtremez_25:
They are all so bloody sanctimonious and full of how hard their job is, and how dangerous it is. Bollox. SACK THEM ALL.
I say sack the effing lot of the wastrels. Complete and utter bunch of wasters.
DT_Xtremez_25:They are all so bloody sanctimonious and full of how hard their job is, and how dangerous it is. Bollox. SACK THEM ALL.
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Is it true that the RMT are also on the picket lines? If so it's not about employment rights etc,it's just to cause trouble. Part of the combined civil and industrial unrest the buch of reds are trying to instgate,to bring down the government. The miners tried that,and look were it got them.
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I went to my local supermarket today and started grumbling under my breath as I walked to the entrance as there were a group of kids gathered around a guy fawkes dummy in a pram. Then I realised that they had it dressed as a fireman! Who said kids don't have a sense of humour these days? DT_Xtremez_14:
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Not just the Mail reported the addresses. That aside why do people whose location has been leaked still (fraudulently in my view) claim London weighting, one member apparently commutes from bl00dy Denmark
Simple maths 71 + 71 = 142, yet days in the year = 365
365 - 142 = 223 now I accept some of that will be sleeping off nights and 104 days are taken up by weekends but oh how I would love my time away from work be formally aligned with yours. KQ correctly raises a point from earlier you are not being sacked at all. You are just being offered a new contract that you and your workmates really, really don't like. Seems you have a stark choice either sign the contract and shut up or stick to your guns and move to job were working 5 days out of 7 is seen as entirely normal.
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With 26 applicants for every job, and a whole load of unemployed people to choose from...
I say sack the effing lot of the wastrels. Complete and utter bunch of wasters.
They are all so bloody sanctimonious and full of how hard their job is, and how dangerous it is. Bollox. SACK THEM ALL.
And I suppose by your logic all black people are car theives, all pakististani's own shops and all Irishmen are stupid? Please don't generalise! I'm sure that there are some wasters in the Fire Brigade like there are in all walks of life, although obviously every member of the Armed forces is a fine upstanding, hardworking, member of the community; apart from those fat useless ones who can't pass their fitness test or the ones who don't go to the sandy place or the useless ones that aren't in your trade..........
Yeah, lets sack the lot of them. After all, how long would it take to train up another lot, i'm sure London could cope.
Get real, people!
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No one should ever cross a picket line. Scabs.
One day when you are in that big civvy world you might need these unions.
The next time I deploy sarcasm with a hint of irony I'll be sure to flag it.
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You've just reminded me of my first shout on Op Fiasco. We were called scabs...by the guy whose house fire we were attending. Go figure!
We should have some emoticons for that, either that or supply everyone with a high chair to stand on.
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And that, gentlemen, is not a good prognosis. Make sure you get yourself sorted on the inside or indeed, you may have ged into bed with some very unsavoury people when you get out.
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I Cant understand where the papers are getting all this false info from.
I have a friend who is a fireman and he works 4 days consisiting of 10 hour days he is on call with a bleeper for the 4 nights and then have 4 days off. He works one hell of a lot of weekends and for no extra money.
Doesnt sound much of a cushy job to me?
I have a friend who is a fireman and he works 4 days consisiting of 10 hour days he is on call with a bleeper for the 4 nights and then have 4 days off. He works one hell of a lot of weekends and for no extra money.
Doesnt sound much of a cushy job to me?
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I work 5 days, minimum 9 hours but often 10 hours or more and have 2 days off, which are not so much 'days off' but 'days out of uniform'. I might not be at the office right now but I have a stack of work in front of me which has to be complete by Monday morning. I'm not asking for sympathy SB, but I'm not giving any out either, sorry.
Check out the FBU website, much of it is on there.
I'm at work now. Out of office on duty to 4 different locations in 3 days next week, no doubt each working day will (excluding travelling) be over 12 hours. Did I expect to be travelling, no, do i have a choice, no, do I seek sympathy, like TBJ absolutely not. I'll STFU and crack on because I'm paid (ableit it frozen for 3 years) to do a job. Just had a thought, for 2 days I'll be in London, does that mean I can claim London Weighting?