Pay Rise 2009

[3wheeledtechie]

Can you remove any opsec bits and stick it up on here?

 

[MontyPlumbs]

MP...sorry to pi$$ on your bonfire but I was in that situation....the only extra quals I had after leaving were the BTEC/ONC that I gained by doing my FT course (only had CSE's when I joined in the first place), oh and the freebie NVQ3.

I won't bang on as most know what I do now and you would not believe my pay for last month.

Crack on......................DT_Xtremez_09:

Tashy, fair play, but you've still gained the BTEC and an NVQ, some people can't even be arsed to complete these "freebies" given to them by the RAF. Plus, your job isn't exactly a "normal" one is it?

You've done well obviously, your experience has obviously helped you get a job, along with the fact you've still got engineering qualifications, even if they are RAF based ones.

What I was trying to get across is that for the majority, people aren't going to be queuing up to give you work when you leave the mob, you have to be proactive about it. Gaining as many pieces of paper whilst in the mob is one way. Bear in mind, with the current situation, there are many people leaving who won't have 22 years experience, so qualifications are important.

There was an Infantry Corporal on my resettlement, all he had to show for 22 years service was 2 "o" levels and some medals. He had no idea what he wanted to do and had done nothing to enhance his CV whilst in the service. There are many service personnel like him unfortunately. Not all are going to be earning huge wages if/when they leave.

 

[Get Tae]

600 Snco's short....bloody luxury, thats our entire trade figure max.

I fail to see hows thats a luxury?

If your trade was bigger then maybe it would be reflected in fugures as ridiculous as this!

In the past 22 years i have seen a few shortages here and there but this beggars belief. I am one of the many SNCOs who has had enough and put my papers in. I did it on a PVR form to ensure my protest of reasons was put into the pot for anyone who could be arsed to look and find out why everyone with any sense is leaving.

Many accidents lately, erm sorry human factor incidents, have been down to people in acting rank without the experinece to back the position up.

I have banged on till I am blue in the face about the ridiculous postion some folk are placed into a system where the acting rank is supposed to be in 'exceptional' cirumstances and now it is the NORM to fill emply posts.

I for one am glad to be out now as its all gone Pete Tong and if they are saying it wont get better for 5 - 8 years thank **** I have went oot the gate now and not later after smoking holes in the ground and flags at half mast because I kid you not that is where I think it is all heading.................

 

[T55]

Many accidents lately, erm sorry human factor incidents, have been down to people in acting rank without the experinece to back the position up.

I think they've given up on acting rank now and are just promoting the inexperienced people any way. Which begs the question "why the hell did I spend years working for it when it now seems to be given away?"

 

[3wheeledtechie]

Tashy, fair play, but you've still gained the BTEC and an NVQ, some people can't even be arsed to complete these "freebies" given to them by the RAF. Plus, your job isn't exactly a "normal" one is it?

You've done well obviously, your experience has obviously helped you get a job, along with the fact you've still got engineering qualifications, even if they are RAF based ones.

What I was trying to get across is that for the majority, people aren't going to be queuing up to give you work when you leave the mob, you have to be proactive about it. Gaining as many pieces of paper whilst in the mob is one way. Bear in mind, with the current situation, there are many people leaving who won't have 22 years experience, so qualifications are important.

There was an Infantry Corporal on my resettlement, all he had to show for 22 years service was 2 "o" levels and some medals. He had no idea what he wanted to do and had done nothing to enhance his CV whilst in the service. There are many service personnel like him unfortunately. Not all are going to be earning huge wages if/when they leave.

Stop stroking Tashy's ego. Whatever he's getting paid its because of two reasons: 22yrs of solid hands-on engineering experience, and cos he's putting up with all the discomforts and disadvantages of working offshore. Maybe if he'd been more proactive and sought to gain more quals whilst in, he'd be getting paid the same or more whilst managing the engineering and coming home to his family every night, but hey he's happy with his lot so WTF? Wouldn't be for everyone though.

As for the infantry cpl, he was clearly cut out to be an infanteer from the start and is now a PSG (potential security guard). TBH the pieces of paper do no more than get your foot in the door, its networking that's the poweful thing. You wanna leave? Get a profile up on a well known professional networking site (hint: it ain't Facebook) 12 months before you're out.

 

[Late & Tired]

Hopefully on topic. Just been informed that the 09 pay announcement won't be made this week, next week is half term for Government so we won't hear anything until the WC 23/2 at the earliest.

I refer the honourable gentleman to the reply I gave some days earlier at post #60
2.8% staged

 

[tag_lincoln]

had missed that in between all the off topic stuff, I'd say 2.5% in one go, £15K for the new lads if they stick it out to the 8 year point, biggish pay rise for nurses to let them catch up with NHS nurses and 15% for CAS.

 

[Weebl]

Now I may be talking out of my arse here, and probably am but I have something in the back of my mind saying that it remembers the 'staged' payrises of the past being declared illegal or somesuch.

Fully expecting to be shot down in flames here because I have no idea where or when, and i was probably drunk when this particular stupid idea popped into my head but there you go.

Oh, and I reckon IRO 1.5% (Credit crunch offers an ideal excuse for the powers that be to delude themselves that the mad outflow will stop, they won't realise they are wrong till next year, when some other piece of crisis management can sort it out)

 

[sarboy22b]

Now I may be talking out of my arse here, and probably am but I have something in the back of my mind saying that it remembers the 'staged' payrises of the past being declared illegal or somesuch.

Fully expecting to be shot down in flames here because I have no idea where or when, and i was probably drunk when this particular stupid idea popped into my head but there you go.

Oh, and I reckon IRO 1.5% (Credit crunch offers an ideal excuse for the powers that be to delude themselves that the mad outflow will stop, they won't realise they are wrong till next year, when some other piece of crisis management can sort it out)

I don't think that they are "Illegal" my wage rise last year, working for a major UK Helicopter manufacturer was in two parts Jan & Jul I think. This year it was in one, but the amount that we have received was cut in half from what was promised ! we were not impressed, but at least we have jobs.

 

[Late & Tired]

A staged payrise is not good for the serviceman on 2 grounds:
1. Obviously the difference between the first and second payment is not as much as the two combined.
2. For those who leave at the pension point INBETWEEN the two stages only qualify for the pay applicable for the first.
2a. Savings alround for the treasury.
Hope I'm right in my understanding, but I bet I'm right for 2a.

 

[tag_lincoln]

2 is immaterial for those on 75 as they get representative rates, only 8% of those with a choice changed to 05.

I still reckon it'll be in one go, tho i'm prob wrong.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Stop stroking Tashy's ego. Whatever he's getting paid its because of two reasons: 22yrs of solid hands-on engineering experience, and cos he's putting up with all the discomforts and disadvantages of working offshore. Maybe if he'd been more proactive and sought to gain more quals whilst in, he'd be getting paid the same or more whilst managing the engineering and coming home to his family every night, but hey he's happy with his lot so WTF? Wouldn't be for everyone though.

As for the infantry cpl, he was clearly cut out to be an infanteer from the start and is now a PSG (potential security guard). TBH the pieces of paper do no more than get your foot in the door, its networking that's the poweful thing. You wanna leave? Get a profile up on a well known professional networking site (hint: it ain't Facebook) 12 months before you're out.

I wasn't stroking Tashys ego, I was stating that he's been lucky upon leaving the mob with little in the way of qualifications, but for the majority of service personnel, this will not be the case.

Of course qualifications get your foot in the door, I see them as little more than a tool to get an interview, but they are still important. Once in a company, your professionalism and work ethic speaks more volumes than what's on your CV; but you have to get the job first!

For someone like me, networking achieves very little. The industry I am entering is completely new to me. I see the networking side of the sector as something to aspire to once I have reached managerial level hopefully in a couple of years (and gained Incorporated Engineer).

The Corporal I talked about was not your "typical" grunt, he was just someone I used as an example of someone who had done nothing to his CV in 22 years and found himself in the position of possibly struggling to gain employment. He could have been an MT driver, techie, cook or whatever. His trade wasn't that important, I just used him as an example.

As for this not be relevant to this years pay rise? Well, I know several techie JRs who are leaving/thinking of leaving once they have a few quals (HNC/D or degree) completed. Unluckily for some, they left it 10 years before they started their qualifications.

With people like this getting more and more qualified, I can't see a minor pay rise (even if its the best in the public sector) keeping personnel in. Well, not the kind we want to keep in anyway.

 

[Fu Fu Valve]

Just had a visit from the WO to say he's had an official e-mail and that the pay rise will be 2.5% + 1% on the X factor so in total 3.5%.
Now we wait for food and accomodation go up 5%.

DT_Xtremez_35:I'm not joking, this is allegedly the gen.

 

[Sospan]

Just had a visit from the WO to say he's had an official e-mail and that the pay rise will be 2.5% + 1% on the X factor so in total 3.5%.
Now we wait for food and accomodation go up 5%.

DT_Xtremez_35:I'm not joking, this is allegedly the gen.

Well I think thats a load of horse poop, X factor is only reviewed every set number of years, its either 3 or 5 and it happened last year.

 

[Fu Fu Valve]

It better be true, i've planned my life around the massive rise! It was part of our morning brief so i'd be inclined to believe my wobbly. I'll try and get a look at the e-mail he was sent.

 

[Tashy_Man]

It better be true, i've planned my life around the massive rise! It was part of our morning brief so i'd be inclined to believe my wobbly. I'll try and get a look at the e-mail he was sent.

So where is the massive rise ? You just said 2.5% (+1% x-factor).....not massive by any stretch ! And as you said food and accom/MQ's will go up by more anyways so you have a DECREASE in pay......glad you are so happy about it.....congratulations !

Crack on..................DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[Fu Fu Valve]

Well it could be that was taking the p£$$........

DT_Xtremez_17:

 

[MyShineyAr$e]

So where is the massive rise ? You just said 2.5% (+1% x-factor).....not massive by any stretch ! And as you said food and accom/MQ's will go up by more anyways so you have a DECREASE in pay......glad you are so happy about it.....congratulations !

Crack on..................DT_Xtremez_09:

Sharp as a tack this morning Tashy Man. But I suppose you had to ignore the sarcasm so you had the opportunity to look down your nose at us again.

 

[Sospan]

It was part of our morning brief so i'd be inclined to believe my wobbly. I'll try and get a look at the e-mail he was sent.

This is an extract from last years report when the x factor review took place.

This chapter sets out the evidence for and our recommendations on X-Factor. We usually
review the X-Factor every five years. Our last review was for the 2003 Report which

 

[tubbyj]

I wonder if they have thought of scrapping pay 2000, as it causes so much ill feeling between those on high or low band pay, as to who is entitled or not and why they feel hard done by. If they scrapped it and made it one rank one pay no matter what trade or experience, but then gave extra pay for courses attended and specialist qualifications gained to differentiate between ability. So then it is down to the individual to do the courses to make the extra money, and obviously different courses attract different levels of extra pay. So if all you have done is pass basic training you get basic wage, if you have gone on to do lengthy academic courses or trade courses you get extra pay upon completion, thereby rewarding hard work and motivating people, to improve themselves.