Redundancy

Tuesday is D Day, got a feeling alot of my trade will be axed as well as most others, what are everyones thoughts?

 

[themardyrigger]

Off TopicIs that a dig at the SNCOs or the system?

the system, I am a proper fat snec myself, spent far to long as a JT in the 90's, a vitim of option's for change, the betts report etc etc

I feel sorry for the AMM/SAC(T)'s who no matter how good or keen will be stuck in the system with little or no reward.

 

[Dazzy26]

A colleague had a plan to go for redundancy, use the money to move out to Eastern Europe (where his missus was from) and settle there.

He misses out by ONE MONTH!DT_Xtremez_25:

HTB

The Air Force do it again. There will be people who want to leave and are not in the bracket, and those who want to stay and are made redundant. Speaking to a couple of Navy guys they were saying that their management have had letters saying that if people want to apply for redundancy and are not in the bracket they are to be allowed too and their bosses annotate the application 'for the good of the navy' they will then be considered. Sounds like common sense to me so it will never catch on!

 

[BillyBunter]

I want to leave but im in the 20 year bracket , I dont want to spend 2.5 years more in the RAF I have had enough and will take any payment to leave. Yet I know 5-6 lads on the squadron that fell into the bracket that dont want to leave as its obvious they are getting rid of bods to avoid paying a pension (pity the lads at 15-17 years service)

Surely its discriminiation not offering to anyone , after all we are all in the same promotion boards. ****s me off

Its just all wrong, most folk in the 18-22 year bracket leaving anyway come 22, most of the SNCOs just doing the 22 year then PVRing when the time is right.

The RAF is about to loose huge experience very soon , RIP mechanical engineers

 

[muttywhitedog]

Slightly off topic but....there are more than enough of each trade to do the job in depth. Depth have (apparently) based their manpower on the worst ever eventuality which wouldn't necessarily need a certain trade balance for majority of the figures.
As long as there enough to c/out the anti det plus a bit more.

I know of a fairy chief who wants into depth but it seems that unless he has a white coloured shirt, they aren't interested

It still doesnt change the fact that the place is full of mechs that they cant find jobs for.

 

[Weebl]

It still doesnt change the fact that the place is full of mechs that they cant find jobs for.

My Sqn has been asking for blokes, specifically heavies for a good 3 years now.

The jobs are out there but according to manning we are at 117% manpower so don't need any more.

How they arrive at the figures a Sqn requires is anybodies guess. We have even had a manpower review, again about 3 years ago which came up 50 odd blokes short, and since then it has been proved we put about 20% more man-hours into achieving every flying hour due to changes in working practices and the jets getting very tired.

We also have stupid amounts of people in acting ranks but of course manning won't either make them paid acting or post people in of those ranks because according to them we don't need them.

Soon we will have an Air force populated entirely of officers forming committees, with of course some Med staff to look after them, some PTI's to get them to run up and down the Gym, and some Admin staff.

I swear some people in the Air Force would be happier if we just binned anything that flew and did it properly, with just support staff, supporting each other. (not a rant at you MWD, just a general one )

 

[Beer Bandit]

Sad Sad Day

Sad Sad Day

I could be up for redundancy, if I can sway the Board as I have an out of date Q which may hold me back...... I will try as the RAF is not the same and after all the cuts never evre will be.

Tis a sad day if or when I go as after almost 22 years it feels as though I am copping out, but like I said before it ain't the same and I GOTTA put family, my family first. Good Luck to all

 

[BogCatchTechnition]

Whoop Whoop checked it out earlier and I'm right on the button with who they want.
I'm at home now and my buddy wants to know what the criteria is for Fairy Av Sncos so can anyone still at work tell me please
Cheers

 

[BillyBunter]

Weebl I whole heartedly agree with your last comments there, was out in Seeb about 2008, PTI on base I caught making a phone call back to the UK saying , the problem out here is the amount of flying, if there was no flying squadrons then this place would be brilliant and I could get all my training in. I can honestly say and on my families life that was her words. We are a burden to the non flying aspect of the RAF. So on that note I dont give a **** about the RAF anymore. Make all us techies redundent and we will **** off happily and get jobs elsewhere. Saves us moaning about the hard life the other trades have.

Ranty over DT_Xtremez_34:

 

[Kickstart]

Fairy AV SNCOs required......up to 15!

21 to 25 years service as of 01/03/2011 (today!)

No AGes(except MRA4), No Licensed Engineers and no Airborne Techs!

I'm in! DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[BogCatchTechnition]

Thanks Kickstart,
He wont be best pleased being one of the fat lazy GE types,
Guess the beers will be on me.
DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[gargantuan sweede]

gotta say im a bit disapointed i liked the idea of leaving!

if i included my time for the queen i still wouldnt have served enough time!

i wonder if the criteria will be different for the next tranches?

 

[madsurfer]

Fairy AV SNCOs required......up to 15!

21 to 25 years service as of 01/03/2011 (today!)

No AGes(except MRA4), No Licensed Engineers and no Airborne Techs!

I'm in! DT_Xtremez_30:

Not wishing to dampen the same enthusiasm that I had when I realised that I was in as well....but have you any idea how many of us are in? I think there is more chance of promotion (LOL) than redundancy.

 

[Kickstart]

A man can dream :S

 

[Craig855s]

Sadly it is not the clean slice off the side of the triangle.

No Flt Sgt's or WO's in TG1, I can see a lot of bod's who either miss out or dont qualify hitting the PVR button.

I think any FS/WOs in TG1 that press the PVR button may (or may not) end up kicking themselves when tranche 2 (and possibly 3) get released asking for some of them

I think the only rank/trade that are not going to get redundacy are TG1 SACs, since between now and 2015 pretty much all of us will come up to our 9 and 12 year points so they can simply chose to sign on only enough of us to get to the desired numbers. And with no promotion there is no chance of someone who is SAC today becoming a CPL and getting eligable for tranche 2 or 3.

 

[muttywhitedog]

Tranche 1 is just the tip of the iceberg - many "non-job" officer posts as a result of the withdrawal of the MR4 and GR9, together with a fair chunk of aircrew jobs. I'm guessing that the number of TG1 in this tranche is much less than the number of TG1 that were employed in supporting these two airframes. After that you just have a smattering of other trades, largely at the top end. Very interesting that in Tranche 1, not a single SAC is to be made redundant!

If 2700 personnel are to be made redundant in total, the next tranche will be the interesting one, where the required number will be almost double what it is in Tranche 1. Two GR4 Sqns will have gone, so there will no doubt be more TG1 redundancies, particularly so as the disposal of the GR9 will have been decided and all the folk at Cott/Wit will also be surplus come mid-2012. I suspect a lot of the other trades will also be hit harder, with some at SAC rank too.

To all those in the field this time - good luck!

 

[muttywhitedog]

I think any FS/WOs in TG1 that press the PVR button may (or may not) end up kicking themselves when tranche 2 (and possibly 3) get released asking for some of them

They are the least likely to PVR, as they were mainly the ones who took up the new pension scheme in the anticipation of serving until age 55 (or very close).

 

[Realist78]

I think any FS/WOs in TG1 that press the PVR button may (or may not) end up kicking themselves when tranche 2 (and possibly 3) get released asking for some of them

I think the only rank/trade that are not going to get redundacy are TG1 SACs, since between now and 2015 pretty much all of us will come up to our 9 and 12 year points so they can simply chose to sign on only enough of us to get to the desired numbers. And with no promotion there is no chance of someone who is SAC today becoming a CPL and getting eligable for tranche 2 or 3.

Depends on your outlook. I'm glad I PVRd and didn't wait to find out if I was eligible only to find out I wasn't. I wouldn't dream of stopping in for a further 2 years to maybe find out I was eligible again only to be disappointed. It will be interesting to see how many people PVR that were eligible but didn't get selected.

Should that be the thought of an SAC nowadays? Get promoted just so they can become eligible for redundancy? If so, wrong job!

 

[P&A77TheB@stardCourse]

Sgt Adminers dont appear Tranche 1 therefore is a non-event for me.

Bring on Tranche 2!!!

Maybe they've been really clever though. Can't remember exact FS & WO figures & I'm not in work today, but was it not 15 FS in tranche 1? If they only want 5 in reality, this will then open up 10 promotion slots and one of them could be yours! You will then be far better off because, like me, don't you live to serve??? DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[feckinG RANT]

Because there's too many of you. You only have to look at the problems we are having manning up the new Depth Org at Cottesmore. Far too many Mech SNCOs and not enough fairies.

Why set the LOS at 21 years then? Open it up to all SNCO's so that the board can pick the most suitable. Makes no sense, I am short by around 8 or so months, which means if they apply the same criteria in Tranche 2 I will be short by around 2 months. I just hope the next Tranche has better news.

 

[muttywhitedog]

If they only want 5 in reality, this will then open up 10 promotion slots and one of them could be yours!DT_Xtremez_30:

You clearly dont know me then fella!!!