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Trade Group 1 Pay Rise

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Well if thats true Sgt Scribbly then that is fine. For many life will continue and I guess the frustration and resentment will just fuel people to leaving quicker rather than later. No major shakes they just in the longer term not going to hold on to experience , but why should anyone give a damm , nobody has this far in our careers so why now.
For the rest of the trades that fought there way to higher pay then good on them , we never got that chance and its dissapointing but in reality the Trade sponsors never fought our corner when needed. For me few more years then my 23 years of training and experience will be better used in civvy street where the real money will be shown.
 
Details on pay review...

Details on pay review...

:PDT_Xtremez_27::PDT_Xtremez_27:I have paperwork at home which discusses a huge range of topics. One being "pay structure evaluation". It states " although the current pay system isn't broken, it is certainly creaking. It's not flexible enough to meet changing demands of the services as we can see from numerous FRI's that have been paid in recent years. We know that pay 2000 continues to frustrate many of our people with it's anomalies (such as flip flop and marking time). As part of the STRATEGIC REMUNERATION REVIEW, MoD is studying the options to make things better and the RAF Pay colonel team in MoD is right at the heart of this. Any change will doubtless be very expensive, but it may become a question that we sinply cannot afford NOT to change for retention reasons!. All that said, it is unlikely any new structure will be available or affordable before 2011/12.

This is extracts taken from ACOS manning brief given to me by chief clerk after enquiring about new commitment bonus. Read into it what you will.
 
3wheeled techie

3wheeled techie

No mate. I was enquiring for some of my guys about the commitment bonus and the chief clerk gave me a load of info about pay, lsap, manning etc. The information was taken from the ACOS manning brief given to us about 3 weeks ago.
 
Ramage said:
:PDT_Xtremez_27::PDT_Xtremez_27:I have paperwork at home which discusses a huge range of topics. One being "pay structure evaluation". It states " although the current pay system isn't broken, it is certainly creaking. It's not flexible enough to meet changing demands of the services as we can see from numerous FRI's that have been paid in recent years. We know that pay 2000 continues to frustrate many of our people with it's anomalies (such as flip flop and marking time). As part of the STRATEGIC REMUNERATION REVIEW, MoD is studying the options to make things better and the RAF Pay colonel team in MoD is right at the heart of this. Any change will doubtless be very expensive, but it may become a question that we sinply cannot afford NOT to change for retention reasons!. All that said, it is unlikely any new structure will be available or affordable before 2011/12.

This is extracts taken from ACOS manning brief given to me by chief clerk after enquiring about new commitment bonus. Read into it what you will.
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Cheers Ramage that kind of reiterates what has been said all the way through this thread.
1.They know the current pay system is unfit for purpose
2.They know, we know the current pay system is unfit for purpose
3.They will not openly admit the current pay system is unfit for purpose
4.They will not be doing anything soon to correct the current pay system which is unfit for purpose
5.Techies have to vote with their feet or face the humiliation of being paid ‘relatively’ less than non techie trades on higher pay band.

Yeah, kind of what you said Ramage…….Cheers! At least it’s good to know they know, we know, they know, we know.

PS Vanmandan, this isn’t a T-bar and its not a subject I would have a barrel of laughs over……….C0ck!
 
EDIT - Bucc_Boy, please can you list the high pay band, non-techie trades, that are causing you to feel `humiliated`. Also at which rank each of these trades qualifies for the HPB, seeing as you are the subject matter expert.

As far as aircraft trades go the only guys who are being shafted are the new AMMs. They shouldn't have to wait until completion of further training to receive HPB. :S
 
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Eh!

Eh!

Sorry me thinks you are confusing me with someone else. Just QUOTING from paperwork thought it may be of interest. It is a draft copy of the People Campiagn Plan that was given to me. Perhaps you should direct your question to the guys who wrote it?:PDT_Xtremez_41:
 
Ramage said:
Sorry me thinks you are confusing me with someone else. Just QUOTING from paperwork thought it may be of interest. It is a draft copy of the People Campiagn Plan that was given to me. Perhaps you should direct your question to the guys who wrote it?:PDT_Xtremez_41:
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Is this paperwork out in the open yet? Who did write it? Monty what was the people campaign plan, was it just from the unit you are on? what was it all about?
 
Just to back up a few comments on here, if you look at this link

You will see we are 1171 Aircraft Technicians short with 380 PVR's
 
SgtScribbly said:
what do you make of the inflow figure of 20?
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Thinking about it, that might reflect the fact we have recruited AAM's who will not end up as technicians until completion of FT, of which maybe only one course passed out during the 12 month period when the stats were taken. Since then the sausage factory at Cosford has started rolling.

Nevertheless it makes for some very negative reading.
 
Sospan said:
Thinking about it, that might reflect the fact we have recruited AAM's who will not end up as technicians until completion of FT, of which maybe only one course passed out during the 12 month period when the stats were taken. Since then the sausage factory at Cosford has started rolling.

Nevertheless it makes for some very negative reading.
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Rolling it has. I won't disclose numbers, but the sausage machine has jumped several gears:PDT_Xtremez_06:
 
unruly1986 said:
EDIT - Bucc_Boy, please can you list the high pay band, non-techie trades, that are causing you to feel `humiliated`. Also at which rank each of these trades qualifies for the HPB, seeing as you are the subject matter expert.

As far as aircraft trades go the only guys who are being shafted are the new AMMs. They shouldn't have to wait until completion of further training to receive HPB. :S
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Unruly1986 please forgive me for deceiving you into thinking I was an expert on the subject matter. I am no expert; my intent is cynicism, criticism and jest! However the trades ‘appear’ to be as follows.

Air Traffic Controller TG9
SNCO Fighter Controller TG12
Air Cartographer TG14
Intelligence Analyst (Imagery) TG14
Personnel Administrator TG17

I have obviously not included the trades with C/T ranks (as this was my point!). Excuse my ignorance of TG4 (yourself from your previous posts) but I can only find reference to the fact they are now TG11…….shat on big time with pay bands it would seem. As I said, no expert, but humiliation is borne from the perception of the receiving subject not the on looking observer. As you are the observer in this case, you will have to take my word for it.
 
Liability Strength Shortfall Inflow Outflow VO
4965 4299 666 10 290 200 A Tech Mech
3942 3437 505 10 260 180 A Tech AV


Surely that is not right ? that makes very very scary reading​
 
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Bucc Boy said:
Unruly1986 please forgive me for deceiving you into thinking I was an expert on the subject matter. I am no expert; my intent is cynicism, criticism and jest! However the trades ‘appear’ to be as follows.

Air Traffic Controller TG9
SNCO Fighter Controller TG12
Air Cartographer TG14
Intelligence Analyst (Imagery) TG14
Personnel Administrator TG17

I have obviously not included the trades with C/T ranks (as this was my point!). Excuse my ignorance of TG4 (yourself from your previous posts) but I can only find reference to the fact they are now TG11…….shat on big time with pay bands it would seem. As I said, no expert, but humiliation is borne from the perception of the receiving subject not the on looking observer. As you are the observer in this case, you will have to take my word for it.
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Sorry to re-quote all of your post.

Are you saying that Air Traffic Controllers don't deserve being on the higher payband? The second most stressful job (after front line shooting type stuff) in the RAF. I am not about to start slagging off other trades or going on about how much they can earn in civi street or the training and length of time it takes to get to SNCO (Direct entry now, I concede...), but do you really think that all the other trades are humiliating you?

Or are you saying that you don't want to be on the same payband as them?

I have re read this thread and am a bit confused.
 
BillyBunter said:
Liability Strength Shortfall Inflow Outflow VO
4965 4299 666 10 290 200 A Tech Mech
3942 3437 505 10 260 180 A Tech AV


Surely that is not right ? that makes very very scary reading​
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1. Does this include all ranks?
2. What is VO?
3. Im pretty sure theres more inflow than now some AMMs are now finishing their second stint at Cosford.
 
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