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British Sailors released from Iran

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So, why was the mother ship unable to defend them ? Do we have any info on that ?
 
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Scaley brat said:
So, why was the mother ship unable to defend them ? Do we have any info on that ?
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It'll probably come to light that the craft they captured were the main ships....HMS Cornwall is infact a cardboard cut out stuck to the side of 2 rowing boats.....apparently all to do with lean......
 
mad_moriarty said:
My final Warning, read post 79 in this thread!. ::/:
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Apologies for the cheap shot. I would like to know why they had no backup though. Were they in shallow water or something ? it seems to me that a Navy frigate should be able to defend itself against Iranian patrol boats unless of course there were too many !
 
Tashy_Man said:
It'll probably come to light that the craft they captured were the main ships....HMS Cornwall is infact a cardboard cut out stuck to the side of 2 rowing boats.....apparently all to do with lean......
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Or perhaps the so called car smuggling boat was in fact the Iranian navy's covert spyboat watching what our Navy were doing. They saw they would be boarded so called for back up!

Tin foil on head, running round in circles with pencils up my nose.........
 
Scaley brat said:
I would like to know why they had no backup though. Were they in shallow water or something ? it seems to me that a Navy frigate should be able to defend itself against Iranian patrol boats unless of course there were too many !
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Do we know how far the Frigate was from the incident, they had top cover from a Sea Lynx but what good that was is beyond me.
 
mad_moriarty said:
Do we know how far the Frigate was from the incident, they had top cover from a Sea Lynx but what good that was is beyond me.
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A Frigate, 15 Marines with top cover from a Lynx and this was an accident ! Something smells a bit fishy there :PDT_Xtremez_06:
 
Scaley brat said:
I would like to know why they had no backup though. Were they in shallow water or something ? it seems to me that a Navy frigate should be able to defend itself against Iranian patrol boats unless of course there were too many !
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As I understand it the Cornwall was out of range unless she used her 45s, which would have been overkill. Following the same line of thought though, the sailors & marines would have been armed but they were taken without a shot being fired. How? What were their ROEs? There is still an awful lot that we don't know.
 
mad_moriarty said:
Do we know how far the Frigate was from the incident, they had top cover from a Sea Lynx but what good that was is beyond me.
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Off Topic slightly but........did you see the library footage of the Lynx on the news cover of this story? It has 2 furry dice hanging from the overhead console! Not small ones either!

There has to be more to this than we have been given via the news.
As stated, not a shot fired, Lynx top cover, HMS Cornwall did exactly what? If she was out of range, why?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
 
mad_moriarty said:
Chaps,

Can we keep this thread from not going Off Topic as it's starting to go into a historical lesson!.

Any further breeches of zulus, welsh guards etc will be sent to Historical Warfare!.
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Makes a change from Fight Club or the Pigs Bar, MM. :PDT_Xtremez_30: Anyhow one thing you have to remember is that Iran don't like the British (the same as they don't like the US, Russians or anybody else). Mainly cause we helped the US put the Shar into power in the 1950's.
 
mad_moriarty said:
Chaps,

Can we keep this thread from not going Off Topic as it's starting to go into a historical lesson!.

Any further breeches of zulus, welsh guards etc will be sent to Historical Warfare!.
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While this is a current affairs thread, historical insight into why Iran is such a dangerous opponent to take on militarily must be made. This may inform people who were not old enough to remember the farce the Americans called
"Op Eagle Claw" about the hazards of such an attempt, and how not to carry one out. I've put a link in, It shows the problems of mounting such a raid. the yanks couldn't do it, so we don't need to be Welsh or Zulus to realize we can't!

http://www.helis.com/featured/eagle_claw.php
 
MAINJAFAD said:
you have to remember is that Iran don't like the British (the same as they don't like the US, Russians or anybody else). Mainly cause we helped the US put the Shar into power in the 1950's.
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We don't have many fans in that area at all and while many of them would love to make our government look foolish, lifting 15 Marines off a boat in full view of their support vessel and air cover is quite a bit more of a statement don't you think ? They must have had a large numerical advantage unless of course our people were ordered not to engage.
 
Full story here

The gist of it here:


The USS Dwight D Eisenhower is off the coast of Iran
The US Navy has begun its most extensive manoeuvres in the Gulf region since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, but denies it is aiming to unsettle Iran.
Two aircraft carriers, plus their strike groups, have sailed to the region and have begun war games involving as many as 100 US war planes.

The exercises follow Iran's capture of 15 British navy personnel, and high tension over its nuclear programme.

The US Navy said the exercises were not meant to exert pressure on Iran.

US Navy Commander Kevin Aandahl, based with the US Fifth Fleet in Bahrain, across the Gulf from Iran, said: "What it should be seen as by Iran or anyone else is that it's for regional stability and security.

"These ships are just another demonstration of that. If there's a destabilising effect, it's Iran's behaviour."
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Scaley brat said:
We don't have many fans in that area at all and while many of them would love to make our government look foolish, lifting 15 Marines off a boat in full view of their support vessel and air cover is quite a bit more of a statement don't you think ? They must have had a large numerical advantage unless of course our people were ordered not to engage.
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I think you'll find they were ordered not to engage, unless under direct fire. we are talking Bootnecks here not US Marines.
 
MAINJAFAD said:
I think you'll find they were ordered not to engage, unless under direct fire. we are talking Bootnecks here not US Marines.
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I'm sure you're right, but if Johnny Arab pointed a Kalashnikov at me and I had the means to do something about it, I'm not sure I could be so restrained.
 
MAINJAFAD said:
I think you'll find they were ordered not to engage, unless under direct fire. we are talking Bootnecks here not US Marines.
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I appreciate that, but it must be hard maintaining that kind of discipline when you know your about to get taken away in full view of your colleagues. They must have had nerves of steel.
 
True Blue Jack said:
I'm sure you're right, but if Johnny Arab pointed a Kalashnikov at me and I had the means to do something about it, I'm not sure I could be so restrained.
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Obviously I don't know the current RoE that the booties operate under. But on the mainland a few years back pointing a weapon at us was considered a slotting offence.
 
FootTapper said:
Obviously I don't know the current RoE that the booties operate under. But on the mainland a few years back pointing a weapon at us was considered a slotting offence.
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Indeed......probably the real reason they put up no fight was they had no proper weapons.....just bits of stick and told to shout "BANG"...IF (big if) they had proper weapons they had no ammo cause the storeman said "someone else might need them".....

Good old Lean strikes again....

(can you see a common theme i'm trying to get at)

Crack on..............:PDT_Xtremez_09:
 
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