Cpl-Sgt Board 2012

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

Can see where you're both coming from, BUT, you can do fook all about the 2nd RO's input as you dont get to see his comments until it's finalised.

Really? I was under the impression, from personal experience, that you are interviewed with regard to both your 1st and 2nd RO input. If you are not satisfied at any point that is your opportunity to raise concerns. That has always been the case with me and if I wasn't offered that opportunity I would have requested it. Even after the 2nd RO has finalised their input that is not the end of it. If you have any complaints you raise them within your chain of command and if that does not resolve the issue head to PSF.

It is YOUR SJAR so take responsibility. I myself have been through situations where management tried to fob me off but if you don't stand up for yourself it's only you that suffers. It's amazing what a service complaint can achieve.

 

[Gopher]

40 Required for this years board!!

40 Required for this years board!!

They need 40 on this years, found out yesterday.

DT_Xtremez_26:

 

[hursty]

Really? I was under the impression, from personal experience, that you are interviewed with regard to both your 1st and 2nd RO input. If you are not satisfied at any point that is your opportunity to raise concerns. That has always been the case with me and if I wasn't offered that opportunity I would have requested it. Even after the 2nd RO has finalised their input that is not the end of it. If you have any complaints you raise them within your chain of command and if that does not resolve the issue head to PSF.

It is YOUR SJAR so take responsibility. I myself have been through situations where management tried to fob me off but if you don't stand up for yourself it's only you that suffers. It's amazing what a service complaint can achieve.

Agree with the previous comments, what I actually meant to say in my original post was that you cant comment on the 2RO's input unlike the comments box after the 1st RO's input.

From personal experience though, it all depends on how strong a character your 1st RO is and how much of a gamble you want to take with your career.

I had a beer call argument with my 2nd RO a few months before an SJAR, came to the first RO's interview to be told straight off that I wasnt going to get a glowing assessment as if he did the 2nd RO would "fook his career up". Then it came to the 2nd RO interview and got told that the beer call instance had influenced the SJAR, he also told me that he was in no doubt that i could and do a better job than the 2 SNECs above me! What was I supposed to do then? If i challenged the 1st & 2nd RO then I left my self open to being assassinated in the 2nd RO's input with no chance to comment on the 2nd RO's input. After all you can make a damaging comment sound quite positive if youre clever enough.

I'm not being bitter and twisted about it either, as far as i am concerned the fact that someone else has got promoted over me or someone else has nothing to do directly with MY SJAR or MY career so good luck to them.

I just think that the current SJAR/Promotion system has a few flaws thats all.

Congrats to those that has and does come in the quota this year.

 

[miniboo]

Just heard back from my seniors. I was a B grade. No surprises really.

Need to decide what I am going to do now.

I think I need to move jobs but having already asked and been told no.

 

[OK..Igiveup]

get over it

get over it

Off Topic

OK i'll bite! Since arriving at 90 18 odd months ago i've spent over 12 months away from home OOA, on exercise and on training courses so I think i've earnt my 1/3 of a year off. Wonder if I should be paid part time wages for my slacking?

Since arriving at my station 2 years ago, I have spent 4 months away from home on OOA (stuck up a mountain, no BX, no wireless internet, no op allowance, no sun) 4 months on guard (no LSA, no free food!), 4 months on training courses a weeks PODL and about 40 days leave. The rest of the time I have been at work or doing some other duties including on call, parades, etc.

Please I wish those on 90 realise that the rest of the world works too and get off their pedestal. Being away from home is tough but really does not make you a better supervisor/ manager/ leader. There are no distractions, nobody calling in sick or wanting leave at short notice, no balancing act, you have a job to do over there and that is your focus.

Promotion should be going to those who make good leaders, not as a reward for missing your kids 1st birthdays, missing their first steps, or words. Missing the wife's birthday for 4 years on the bounce. Missing your grandparent funeral. All I have done by the way over my years away.

Sorry will let you all get back on topic,

 

[4everAD]

Then statistically you would expect 1/3 of the promotions, but when you think they only work 2/3rds of the year at 90 compared to the rest of us working full time then you would expect more promotions from the real air force.

I realise what the rest of the RAF/Tg4 do thank you after 23 years I've worked on most TG3/4 areas, I was replying directly to your comments above accusing me of only working 2/3 of the year so I gave you an example of what I have done since arriving at 90. As you started this tangent/attack on 90 SU don't tell me to "get over it" as per your post title it seems to me you need to get over something yourself (Envy at those getting promoted maybe?)

 

[hursty]

Now Now people, there are plenty of other trades and personnel within other trades that we can have a go at!

Lets not start having a go at our own (Ex TG3 & TG11 alike!)

By the way, anybody heard the rumour that they are after TG4 Cpls in the Tranche 3 redundancies? specifically those that joined up around 1993! No, must just be my wishfull thinking then.........

 

[TG4 SH1TE]

B grade, 4 years a fecking B grade, very good SJARs what else do i need to do? ultimate promotion to Mr?

 

[Mug?]

oh no!

oh no!

Now Now people, there are plenty of other trades and personnel within other trades that we can have a go at!

Lets not start having a go at our own (Ex TG3 & TG11 alike!)

By the way, anybody heard the rumour that they are after TG4 Cpls in the Tranche 3 redundancies? specifically those that joined up around 1993! No, must just be my wishfull thinking then.........

SSShhhhhh don't mention 3 and 11 otherwise it will get all nasty on here we are one big happy family now.
I got redundancy off this last tranche.
Well sort of. I am leaving to teach them a lesson for destroying the trade, so there is another slot for someone to fill.

4everAD - You should be in the higher tax bracket all that time away, hope you are not dodging any tax.

 

[4everAD]

SSShhhhhh don't mention 3 and 11 otherwise it will get all nasty on here we are one big happy family now.
I got redundancy off this last tranche.
Well sort of. I am leaving to teach them a lesson for destroying the trade, so there is another slot for someone to fill.

4everAD - You should be in the higher tax bracket all that time away, hope you are not dodging any tax.

Mug, luckily Op Bonus is tax free, off to warmer climbs again in a few weeks, though this one doesn't qualify for Op Bonus, thinking of becoming a top comedian if my wages/allowances approach £40,000!

 

[Gnasher]

#35 - looks like a year of nailbiting and hoping the prediction of 40 is accurate!!!

This almost makes up for the farce that was last years board where they sent the wrong seniority dates to the PSB!!

 

[Downsizer]

This almost makes up for the farce that was last years board where they sent the wrong seniority dates to the PSB!!

I don't follow, why did/were they sending seniority dates to the PSB? They are on the front of the SJAR....

 

[rugby then work]

I don't follow, why did/were they sending seniority dates to the PSB? They are on the front of the SJAR....

Agreed, I've never seen a seniority list when I've sat on a board. The fact that they are A grades means they have the required seniority. If a board member wants to know more than that they look at the SJAR.

 

[kev827]

1/3 of the year not working comment for 90su people, not useful at all shows a lack of understanding of what goes on there. TCW runs on a 16month cycle, ops deployment, training, standby ops, training and then deployment again. In the training cycles there are 6 week driving courses to be done, various equipment courses from 1-6 weeks, a months worth of work leading up to an Exercise and then a 2 week deployment to a field, 2 weeks IPDT to name but a few,

With 1/3 of the trade being at 90 it does make sense that a high percentage maybe come from that unit, i am not saying its right but if a 3rd RO says the best Cpl out of the 80 that are on my wing compared to other people within a C4I flt who says best out of 10 it does make more of an impact.

If the perception is that you need to be at 90 to get promoted then why not go there?

just some points for people to think about

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

So (sic) was the No 1 off the board from 90SU ?

Just curious

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[Spammy2505]

#35 - looks like a year of nailbiting and hoping the prediction of 40 is accurate!!!

This almost makes up for the farce that was last years board where they sent the wrong seniority dates to the PSB!!

Hope it works out for you Gnasher, I was 60 on last years board, Got Congrats and Handshakes from my WO. Maning cut the prediction to 55 in December, promoted up to 51 and I managed to make 73 on this board.

There are no Dead Certs until someone gives you a set of tapes!


SpamoutDT_Xtremez_21:

 

[bobbob]

Hope it works out for you Gnasher, I was 60 on last years board, Got Congrats and Handshakes from my WO. Maning cut the prediction to 55 in December, promoted up to 51 and I managed to make 73 on this board.

There are no Dead Certs until someone gives you a set of tapes!


SpamoutDT_Xtremez_21:

I feel your pain Spammy. I missed out by a couple and find I'm a B grade this year with a 4th consecutive improved SJAR on posting. I also know of a couple of others who are in the same boat: both like me were A grades for the past couple of years and now find they have dropped 99+ places for no apparent reason.

I'd love to know why but it's one of those mysteries of the universe.

 

[Desert_Blondie]

No's 1, 4, 5, 8 and 11 were from 90.

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

No's 1, 4, 5, 8 and 11 were from 90.

Sure about 1?

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[Gnasher]

I don't follow, why did/were they sending seniority dates to the PSB? They are on the front of the SJAR....

Agreed, I've never seen a seniority list when I've sat on a board. The fact that they are A grades means they have the required seniority. If a board member wants to know more than that they look at the SJAR.

The list of personnel got sorted but the seniority dates didn't, meaning that some peoples assessments weren't even read as they were dismissed immediately as they (incorrectly) didn't have enough seniority. Put it this way, I had enough seniority, plenty of unexpired service and hadn't been charged which (unless your assessment is dire) are the only reasons to get a C but funnily enough I had a C. Allegedly regraded later to a B, although whether I would have been an A and in the frame for promotion I don't know.

Still, it's all water under the bridge!!